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Old 02-04-2013, 08:25 PM   #141
 
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Sang,

That would be great. I just commented on your thread about them. I'm pretty sure they are Yoyo Loaches.


Chesh,

I might have to make the QT tank into a actual tank for the gourami for a while lol. At least I have a cycled ready to go tank :).

Hi Byron and thank you very much for taking the time to respond.

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I'm a bit confused [well, quite a bit actually] here, so bear with me. I would keep the fish in the tank rather than buckets if at all possible. If they are going elsewhere, set that tank up first before moving them oout of their present home. Much less stress, thus less chance of problems. Also, is this 75g now running? Otos should never be put in new tanks, only established ones.
I have a very limited amount of space available to me. I am living with my mom again so I have to keep all of my aquariums in my room. I'm replacing the 29 gallon fish tank with the 90 gallon tank. In order to do this I need to take apart the 29 so I can place the 90 gallon where it is. What I could possibly do is put all of the fish in another 29 gallon tank that I'm acquiring as a place holder. Use the same filter and let them chill in the spare tank instead of a bucket?

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As noted above, leave the 29 running until after all this. Having torn down and reset a 90g myself, this is a day job in itself. I just did my 70g this past week, and that was a 2-day job and the fish are not back in it yet [wil be this morning].
Yea, I agree with you. I realized that after I set up my 75 and stayed up until 6am in order to get the fish into the tank so they wouldn't freeze to death.

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These three (the two BN and L199) should be OK together, provided there is lots, and I mean lots, of bogwood. If they all happen to be males, they will establish and defend territories.
The two BNs are males. I have no idea about the L199. I have wood, but I will be putting more in the tank. You can see in the images above how much wood there is. I can see where they have already eaten it. I have some better wood to place in there once I get these tanks.

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I have a L199, Hypancistrus furunculus, not sure but I think it is a male; he's in my 90g because it is fine gravel substrate whereas all my other tanks are sand. If this fish goes in sand, the fish will be forever re-arranging the substrate. I put him in the 90g because of this.
The BNs do the same thing, I've gotten kind of used to it hhaha. Everything keeps changing.

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Some possible issues here. Linear characins (neons and rummys) are not good with angelfish. If the angelfish are small and the tetra are large, they may tolerate each other as they grow, but angels will naturally and normally predate smaller linear fish.

Aside from the above, the rummys need a much larger group, no less than 12.
The angel fish have lived with these rummys their entire lives and haven't eaten them. Keep in mind all these fish I'm acquiring are already living together in this 90 gallon tank. I think the neons would be in more of a threat than the rummys because they have never seen neons. These rummys are currently in a shoal of 6 so I do agree with you ideally there would need to be more rummys. I would want to get rid of the neons and maybe get 18 rummys total?



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Is this a planted tank? I would expect this large a pleco to destroy a planted tank. They are best in a natural aquascape of fine gravel, river rock, chunks of wood, and no plants other than floating. But this is not the best for the rasbora. The loaches woould be OK in this setup, but they need more, no less than five. Though if these are older as you say, this might cause trouble as they could bully new fish.
I was going to try to put the big sword in there but he is such a huge fish you are right that he would most likely kill the plants. I'm thinking I could try Java moss attached to rock? Or would he eat it?

I could do a pure rock and wood tank while the other one is heavily planted.

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I would not combine gourami and cichlids. They are too much alike, and your previous experience would support this.

Hope this helps.

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Yeah, I'm going to stay away from doing that again.

Thank you very much for the help Byron. Hopefully some of the information I gave will give some more insight on the situation.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:05 PM   #142
 
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personally id just drain out most of the water, say 90%. Put 50% down the drain, and keep 40%, or as much as you can into buckets etc. Lift the 29G, 10% full tank down, nice and light at this point, onto the floor in a corner out of the way, and drop the 40% water you kept, along with 50% new, effectively a water change then, into the tank and plug in what you can so its basically running normal. It'll cost you an extra 15 to do this, but will keep the fish in their 'home' etc before they get moved into the new one. Oh, and leave the lights off the whole day too, always helps.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:07 PM   #143
 
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Saying that though, as a point, in order not to shock them too much, you probably wouldnt want to discard ANY of the water from the 29G. If you put 29g of water from that tank into the new one, and 61G of new fresh water, this would likely avoid any 'shock' etc from a change in water params, as obviously Ph etc drop over time blah blah, you know what i mean no doubt.
Just another thought incase you hadnt considered it.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:00 AM   #144
 
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personally id just drain out most of the water, say 90%. Put 50% down the drain, and keep 40%, or as much as you can into buckets etc. Lift the 29G, 10% full tank down, nice and light at this point, onto the floor in a corner out of the way, and drop the 40% water you kept, along with 50% new, effectively a water change then, into the tank and plug in what you can so its basically running normal. It'll cost you an extra 15 to do this, but will keep the fish in their 'home' etc before they get moved into the new one. Oh, and leave the lights off the whole day too, always helps.
One caution. Never lift any tank containing water or substrate unless it is on a sturdy support such as a piece of plywood. If the tank is sitting on a sturdy piece of plywood or similar, it is OK to lift it by the plywood [never the tank itself] because the tank frame will remain steady. I have done this, with the smaller tanks like 10 and 20, even my 29g. Without the plywood, the tank frame is almost certain to shift, and even a millimeter shift can cause the seal to break and sometimes the glass.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:05 AM   #145
 
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I have a very limited amount of space available to me. I am living with my mom again so I have to keep all of my aquariums in my room. I'm replacing the 29 gallon fish tank with the 90 gallon tank. In order to do this I need to take apart the 29 so I can place the 90 gallon where it is. What I could possibly do is put all of the fish in another 29 gallon tank that I'm acquiring as a place holder. Use the same filter and let them chill in the spare tank instead of a bucket?
Yes, better. For any project of these size tanks I would not put the fish in anything other than a temporary tank. They will be less stressed for one thing, plus it gives you time. With a heater and filter, the temp tank can run for days.

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The angel fish have lived with these rummys their entire lives and haven't eaten them. Keep in mind all these fish I'm acquiring are already living together in this 90 gallon tank. I think the neons would be in more of a threat than the rummys because they have never seen neons. These rummys are currently in a shoal of 6 so I do agree with you ideally there would need to be more rummys. I would want to get rid of the neons and maybe get 18 rummys total?
The neons are more of an issue than the rummys; neons remain much smaller.

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Old 02-05-2013, 05:33 PM   #146
 
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Yes, better. For any project of these size tanks I would not put the fish in anything other than a temporary tank. They will be less stressed for one thing, plus it gives you time. With a heater and filter, the temp tank can run for days.



The neons are more of an issue than the rummys; neons remain much smaller.
Good advice and I think that is the plan I will follow. I don't really need to take the current 29 down, because I can use the spare 29 so that will work perfectly.

What I am unsure of is how to handle the fish that are currently in the 90 gallon tank. The only temporary places I can put them in is a 10 gallon QT tank and buckets while I set up the monster.

I am going to try and find someone who wants my neons, I think a friend of mine might want them but not sure, and just try and go rummys.

Thank you very much Byron! :D My fish tank you, as always :D hahaha.

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I HAVE BABY CORIES!! HOLY WHAT!! WHAT!!! I just looked and there is this tiny cory in my tank!!! WHAT!!!! SOMEHOW THEY LIVED! AHHH! I don't know how many I have either! :D YAY! I'm so happy now hahhahhha
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:22 PM   #147
 
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I could use both 29s as temporary place holders... that might work since I can put a good amount of fish directly into the 75. But that means that the huge sailfin is gonna be in a 29...by himself...and I can transport him in a giant 20+ gallon container.

LOL well I made a video :)

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Old 02-05-2013, 07:56 PM   #148
 
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I HAVE BABY CORIES!! HOLY WHAT!! WHAT!!! I just looked and there is this tiny cory in my tank!!! WHAT!!!! SOMEHOW THEY LIVED! AHHH! I don't know how many I have either! :D YAY! I'm so happy now hahhahhha
YAAAAAY!!!! That little guy is sooo cute!!! Awesome that you had at least one live! You sound so excited on the video that I laughed a bit! But I don't blame you. Babies are exciting!!
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:21 AM   #149
 
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Was this the first time you saw the youngster? It must have been in there for a few weeks, given its size now.

If the eggs are attached in a secure spot they may escape predation by other fish. And in well planted tanks like yours with lots of hiding places the fry can sometimes escape predation. Providing they find sufficient food, which again in well planted tanks is more likely to occur as there is a lot of live microscopic food around plants and wood. With all this, a fry or two can suddenly appear, always a happy moment.

I have one Corydoras duplicareus that I rescued from the canister filter when I cleaned it. The fry was about 1/4 inch or maybe 3/16 and I put it in the 10g which has no fish. When it grew to about 5/16 of an inch I moved it back into the main tank.

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Old 02-06-2013, 01:41 PM   #150
 
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WHOOOOOO-HOOOOOO!!! He's SO CUTE!!! Congratulations on your new arrival *hands out cigars* Too exciting, and you sound so super pumped on the video - love it!
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