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Old 01-29-2013, 09:11 PM   #131
 
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Oh! Love the 29 gal! I didn't know that harlequins would shoal that tightly. They're quite pretty! And so is your dwarf gourami. Awesome rockwork, too!
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:16 PM   #132
 
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Oh! Love the 29 gal! I didn't know that harlequins would shoal that tightly. They're quite pretty! And so is your dwarf gourami. Awesome rockwork, too!
Thanks Koi! The Harlequins shouldn't be shoaling that tightly, it's a sign they are stressed. I've added more plants, floating plants and lowered the light on that tank to see if they would make a different. It's to the point where they will have to wait until the new 90 gallon tank (within 2-4 weeks) before anything else changes.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:51 AM   #133
 
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Thanks for the update, Termie! It’s always nice to hear from you. I know you’ve been really busy lately - it can be tough to find the time, but I miss the ‘good-old-days’ when you were ALL over this forum, loL!

Silly Rasies, gotta say I got a good giggle out of your ‘we’re pansy rasbora and we’re afraid of the forest and the rocks’ voice. HA! Will they be going into the 75, or into a bigger tank? I’m SURE you mentioned this before, but it’s been so long between updates I can’t remember!!! . . . so sad that they’re behaving like this and not taking advantage of all the space they have. I’m sure that when they move back into a tank with more shade and denser planting, it’ll help them out. Something else to consider for when you move them. . . based on my experience with my own tiny shoalers. . .the Rasies have grown SO much since you got them, but they’re still bitty fish, and it’s REALLY easy for a bitty fish to get lost behind big deco and panic without their shoal in sight. This was happening with my Tetra, and the group would accidentally get divided, or a few would end up ‘stuck’ over in the corner, freaking out because they found themselves suddenly ‘alone,’ I redid the tank a bit so that they would ALWAYS be in direct sight of one another, and they immediately spread out and were obviously more comfortable. Could be that they fear the rock because they know. . . when you go behind the rock you might find yourself all alone, a scary place for a tiny fish to be! What is that jungle, btw? Is that what's become of your Ludwigia??! Gorgeous! I still have the one little piece you sent me, (so nice of you to clip the tip of your nicest stem for me!). I don't have enough lighting in the 55 for it to really DO much, but it's still in there! It grows. Sloooowwwllly, but grows. Maybe one day I'll have a nice bunch of it like you do. Really lovely.

Good luck with the blackout in the 75. I hope you get the algae problem taken care of, and that it doesn’t come back. We have to get that tank back to GORGEOUS! I'm LOVING the DS carpet, though! I was *this close* to having one with my PCS in the 29 when the darn powerout wreaked havoc on the plants. I think it looks great, and your little Cories seem to really be enjoying it! Sad to see that Lucas is still looking a bit glum about things. You've really done a TON to slow the flow from that filter, but I can see that it's still kicking out quite a current! Have you considered getting a canister filter for this tank? It’s so much easier to adjust things with a canister, I’ve found, and they’re just all-around so much BETTER than the HOB’s I was using before (and still have on most of my tanks). Maybe that's the way to go to get the flow nice and gentle for him, while still ensuring adequate filtration on the tank as a whole. Poor Lucas! I luff him! The rest of the fishies in this tank look to be thriving, though! So yay for that. I can't wait until you get these little setbacks fixed and we get to see a gloriously green and growing Termie tank again - you rock those plants, boy!
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:47 PM   #134
 
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haha the haunted forest!

And the twisted twisted twisted twisted plants

Love the commentary!
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:36 PM   #135
 
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This is the third time I'm writing this lol....it cleared my entry TWICE! UGH! I WONT GIVE UP!

OK soo...lol

Thanks Chesh and Nilet!!! The forest really is a dark creepy place that the demons linger apparently...those panzy fish...

The rasboras will be going into the 90 gallon along with 8 more rasboras already in there. I'm gonna have a bunch!

Two of the angels that are in the 90 gallon right now will be going into the 75 gallon tank (they nibble on the sailfin plecos fins...so separation will be good).

Lucas is the weirdest friggen fish in the world....he looks fine today. I am going to cover the intake as some further measures to slow down the flow. It has proved to work well in the past. I'm also going to add some more cover to create slower moving areas of water and shade. The shade will help the plecos come out more because they just hide all the time and I never see them.

The betta tank I am going to clean this weekend to get ready to take into the office. I'm going to basically put the betta and the plants and ornaments into a bucket the night before with a heater so he doesn't freeze. Leave the sand/gravel in the tank after I clean it and the tank. I got a new filter for this tank as well. Then in the morning I will unhook the filter and take him in a lidded bucket to my work place and set up his tank at his new home in our lab at work :).

I wish I had the first two versions...because I've written this three times and each time I say the same thing...but in different ways. It's interesting to see how it has changed haha
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:09 AM   #136
 
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Bunches of shoaling fish = love :D I can't wait to see how much they like it in there, and that whole tank as it starts coming together. Good luck with all the moves, and with settling lil' Lucas down. I'll be the first to admit that B.Rams are fussy little dudes at times. Mine refuse to speak to me for a day or two every time I prune one of their favorite leaves. *rolls eyes* It's all a part of that amazing personality they have. . . and when they're happy, they're just so gorgeous and FUN, it's worth catering to them a lil' bit!
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:51 AM   #137
 
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Bunches of shoaling fish = love :D I can't wait to see how much they like it in there, and that whole tank as it starts coming together. Good luck with all the moves, and with settling lil' Lucas down. I'll be the first to admit that B.Rams are fussy little dudes at times. Mine refuse to speak to me for a day or two every time I prune one of their favorite leaves. *rolls eyes* It's all a part of that amazing personality they have. . . and when they're happy, they're just so gorgeous and FUN, it's worth catering to them a lil' bit!
You know how I'm getting the 90 gallon. That's going to be happening in the next 2 weeks now :).

So this is the plan after I move Lucas out to the office on Monday. First I will need to take down the 29 and keep the rasboras and the gourami in buckets. I'm planning on putting the otocinclus I have in the 75 right away. Thoughts on this?

After I get the 29 broken down I am going to run over to my friends house who has the 90 gallon tank and break that monster down. Here are the fish that I'm getting and what i plan to do with them. I kind of need some advice as I can't find some answers online.

First from the 90 Gallon
  1. 24" Sailfin Pleco (including his 5" tail that comes out of his caudal fin so he's really 19")
  2. 5.5" Striped Plecostomus L199
  3. 2 YoYo Loaches
  4. 1 Female Veil Tail Beta
  5. Around 8+ Harlequin Rasbora
  6. About 6+ Brilliant Rummynose Tetra
  7. 2 Scalare Angelfish Cichlid
  8. 1 Female Kribensis Cichlid

First issue. Should I put the Striped Pleco L199 in the 75 Gallon tank with the Albino Bristlenose and the regular Bristlenose Pleco? I haven't seen the regular pleco in a while. I hope he is alright. The sailfin chases the striped one away when there is food. The giant sailfin rules the tank...ofc.

the L199 is from Venezuela which is partly in the amazon but slightly north. It kind of fits the bio tope. Thoughts?

Second, I'm planning on putting the angels in the 75 along with the otocinclus.

Here is the current stocking of the 75 (yes I used aqadvisor lol)



This would be the stocking if I added the new fish (I put a zebra pleco instead of a striped for stocking purposes because they didn't have the L199 :( )



So the zebra pleco is the striped L199 (they didn't have it) and the rummynoses are:

Brilliant Rummy Nose Tetra
Scientific Name: Hemigrammus bleheri

I'm wondering if I should take the neons out (sell them to a friend) and just get more brilliant rummy noses to fill their school in. I'm going to have some GOOD blue with the two angels. One is solid blue while the other one is blue and has black stripes. They are a mated pair.

Here would be the potential start stocking level for the 90 gallon tank:



The female betta has lived all her life in that tank. This tank is a bit small for this pleco. In the next year or two I'm planning on a 125/150 and going to get rid of the 75 or the 90 at that point. I might do a 75/150 combo or something. or a 90/125...who knows. But I do want to get this big pleco a bigger tank within the year. He needs it. He is as tall as the tank is....24" meaning he is literally half as long as this 90 gallon tank.

Personally I was thinking about trying to get sang to take the yoyo loaches for a good deal. I think she has a shoal of them and they would be a lot happier in a tank with familiar fish. These are full grown loaches too.

Here is my BIGGEST concern about this stocking. The gourami and the kribensis. Last time I did that...they got into a fight and my gourami almost died....neither fish fit into the biotope of the 75 so I don't really know what to do about that. My first thought was to leave the gourami in the 90 gallon and put the kribensis in my 10 gallon quarantine until I figure out what to do with her. Not ideal but temporary solution.

Does anyone see any immediate concerns with these stockings? Please let me know.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:15 PM   #138
 
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I don't know enough about these guys to be able to comment, except that I don't think you should put the gourami and the Krib together again. It *might* be okay this time around, since there is much more space than in the 29 where the issue happened last time, but I'd be so nervous to try it after what happened last time. Dude was torn up :(

Talking to Fox about re-homing the loaches is a good thought. . . and I know AQ Advisor isn't, LAW or anything, but I'd say that re-homing the neons and lessening the bioload of that tank a little wouldn't be a bad idea. You really have to be on top of a tank, regardless - but a heavily stocked one like that even more so. . . it's a lot of changes all at once, so be really careful. The nitrate level is going shift with stocking, too, and your ram won't like that, so keep an especially close eye on the little dude.

Hopefully someone with far more experience with these fish will be able to give you some advice!

Good luck, man. . . you've got a busy time ahead of you!
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:53 AM   #139
 
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First I will need to take down the 29 and keep the rasboras and the gourami in buckets. I'm planning on putting the otocinclus I have in the 75 right away. Thoughts on this?
I'm a bit confused [well, quite a bit actually] here, so bear with me. I would keep the fish in the tank rather than buckets if at all possible. If they are going elsewhere, set that tank up first before moving them oout of their present home. Much less stress, thus less chance of problems. Also, is this 75g now running? Otos should never be put in new tanks, only established ones.

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After I get the 29 broken down I am going to run over to my friends house who has the 90 gallon tank and break that monster down.
As noted above, leave the 29 running until after all this. Having torn down and reset a 90g myself, this is a day job in itself. I just did my 70g this past week, and that was a 2-day job and the fish are not back in it yet [wil be this morning].


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First issue. Should I put the Striped Pleco L199 in the 75 Gallon tank with the Albino Bristlenose and the regular Bristlenose Pleco? I haven't seen the regular pleco in a while. I hope he is alright. The sailfin chases the striped one away when there is food. The giant sailfin rules the tank...ofc.

the L199 is from Venezuela which is partly in the amazon but slightly north. It kind of fits the bio tope. Thoughts?
These three (the two BN and L199) should be OK together, provided there is lots, and I mean lots, of bogwood. If they all happen to be males, they will establish and defend territories.

I have a L199, Hypancistrus furunculus, not sure but I think it is a male; he's in my 90g because it is fine gravel substrate whereas all my other tanks are sand. If this fish goes in sand, the fish will be forever re-arranging the substrate. I put him in the 90g because of this.

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This would be the stocking if I added the new fish (I put a zebra pleco instead of a striped for stocking purposes because they didn't have the L199 :( )



So the zebra pleco is the striped L199 (they didn't have it) and the rummynoses are:
Brilliant Rummy Nose Tetra
Scientific Name: Hemigrammus bleheri

I'm wondering if I should take the neons out (sell them to a friend) and just get more brilliant rummy noses to fill their school in. I'm going to have some GOOD blue with the two angels. One is solid blue while the other one is blue and has black stripes. They are a mated pair.
Some possible issues here. Linear characins (neons and rummys) are not good with angelfish. If the angelfish are small and the tetra are large, they may tolerate each other as they grow, but angels will naturally and normally predate smaller linear fish.

Aside from the above, the rummys need a much larger group, no less than 12.

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Here would be the potential start stocking level for the 90 gallon tank:



The female betta has lived all her life in that tank. This tank is a bit small for this pleco. In the next year or two I'm planning on a 125/150 and going to get rid of the 75 or the 90 at that point. I might do a 75/150 combo or something. or a 90/125...who knows. But I do want to get this big pleco a bigger tank within the year. He needs it. He is as tall as the tank is....24" meaning he is literally half as long as this 90 gallon tank.

Personally I was thinking about trying to get sang to take the yoyo loaches for a good deal. I think she has a shoal of them and they would be a lot happier in a tank with familiar fish. These are full grown loaches too.

Here is my BIGGEST concern about this stocking. The gourami and the kribensis. Last time I did that...they got into a fight and my gourami almost died....neither fish fit into the biotope of the 75 so I don't really know what to do about that. My first thought was to leave the gourami in the 90 gallon and put the kribensis in my 10 gallon quarantine until I figure out what to do with her. Not ideal but temporary solution.
Is this a planted tank? I would expect this large a pleco to destroy a planted tank. They are best in a natural aquascape of fine gravel, river rock, chunks of wood, and no plants other than floating. But this is not the best for the rasbora. The loaches woould be OK in this setup, but they need more, no less than five. Though if these are older as you say, this might cause trouble as they could bully new fish.

I would not combine gourami and cichlids. They are too much alike, and your previous experience would support this.

Hope this helps.

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Old 02-03-2013, 10:08 PM   #140
 
Termato if you need to rehome those Loaches I would be happy to take them. My two Golden Zebra Loach taught me a valuable lesson on what loaches can do when they are not kept in a proper shoal.

That said if two fish fought before they are likely to fight again. I'd keep them separated if I were you.
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