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post #1 of 10 Old 11-05-2009, 07:00 PM Thread Starter
trying to understand air filters lol

so i have these four tubes and vents and air lines go in them is it possible to get different color tubes new top vents without buying the whole thing cuz i dont feel like taking all my rocks out emptying the tank with the fish and buying the white grates there connected to

65 gallon tank
1 oscar 7inch
1 firemouth 4inch
1 common pleco 6inch
1 long finned tiger oscar 3inch

45 gallon tank
2 rainbow tetra 3inch
2 skirt tetra 2inch
1 blue ram 2 inch
1 clown pleco 2 inch

15 gallon tank
1 sailfin pleco 2 inch
1 electric blue jd 2 half inch
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post #2 of 10 Old 11-05-2009, 07:07 PM Thread Starter
proper word undergravel filter

65 gallon tank
1 oscar 7inch
1 firemouth 4inch
1 common pleco 6inch
1 long finned tiger oscar 3inch

45 gallon tank
2 rainbow tetra 3inch
2 skirt tetra 2inch
1 blue ram 2 inch
1 clown pleco 2 inch

15 gallon tank
1 sailfin pleco 2 inch
1 electric blue jd 2 half inch
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post #3 of 10 Old 11-05-2009, 07:23 PM Thread Starter
its about 20 years old lol so i just said why not show pic

65 gallon tank
1 oscar 7inch
1 firemouth 4inch
1 common pleco 6inch
1 long finned tiger oscar 3inch

45 gallon tank
2 rainbow tetra 3inch
2 skirt tetra 2inch
1 blue ram 2 inch
1 clown pleco 2 inch

15 gallon tank
1 sailfin pleco 2 inch
1 electric blue jd 2 half inch
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post #4 of 10 Old 11-05-2009, 10:14 PM
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You can simply pull the tubes out and clean them, or buy new ones.

But here's a catch, you need to remove them once and awhile the whole grates to clean under them. After several months, it will begin building a nasty ugly black crap right under those plates if not cleaned regularly, and smells horrible and looks even worse!
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post #5 of 10 Old 11-05-2009, 10:54 PM Thread Starter
really see the problem im having is im not getting alot hair like three will work right and one wont or 2 will work right and 2 wont and its driving me nuts i knw i need air stones under there and probly new tubes right if i wanted to just have two tubes how would i seal off the middle two

65 gallon tank
1 oscar 7inch
1 firemouth 4inch
1 common pleco 6inch
1 long finned tiger oscar 3inch

45 gallon tank
2 rainbow tetra 3inch
2 skirt tetra 2inch
1 blue ram 2 inch
1 clown pleco 2 inch

15 gallon tank
1 sailfin pleco 2 inch
1 electric blue jd 2 half inch
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post #6 of 10 Old 11-05-2009, 10:57 PM Thread Starter
if i get sand instead will it clog the undergavel fiilters or no i have tubes the plastic lines that go into the tubes wut am i missing so i knw wut i need i got the racks the tubes the air lines and plastic pieces that go in the tubes

65 gallon tank
1 oscar 7inch
1 firemouth 4inch
1 common pleco 6inch
1 long finned tiger oscar 3inch

45 gallon tank
2 rainbow tetra 3inch
2 skirt tetra 2inch
1 blue ram 2 inch
1 clown pleco 2 inch

15 gallon tank
1 sailfin pleco 2 inch
1 electric blue jd 2 half inch
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post #7 of 10 Old 11-06-2009, 09:41 AM
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IMO, I'd get rid of it, they are more PIA then beneficial, they are old skool filters.

But yea you can't use sand with them, if your thinking of going with sand i'd tear them out at that time, and get a AquaClear filter instead they are cheap and easy to setup/maintenance.
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post #8 of 10 Old 11-06-2009, 09:42 AM
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You just need new air stones. The air stones should be replaced about every other month.

There's a lot of misinformation going on out there about UGF. They work fine. You can look at the pics of my 55gal tank if you'd like. I'm using the exact same UGF and have been for 20+ years without taking the tank down once. The so called sludge that everyone says can only be removed by removing the plates is inaccurate. I use the Python gravel cleaner to clean under the plates. If you push the siphon all the way to the bottom of the tank you can see the brown stuff getting sucked up from under the plates. I have a metal stand so I can see underneath the plates. But you do have to clean the gravel every other week with your water changes. If you can’t regulate the air the way you’d like, you’ll probably have to buy an air valve. They’re pretty cheap.
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post #9 of 10 Old 11-06-2009, 11:48 AM
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while i respect and agree that every one has an opinion on UGF i must add that even here a lot of very reliable data has been shown that they are not as good or healthy as other types of filtration.... i will not go into this at length but i would recommend that you search this forum for previous posts regarding this topic and decide for your self.... as for the flow on your current set up i also agree that it may be as easy a fix as a good vacuming and a new air stone but it would be very beneficial to do a tear down and really clean everything... after that much use any equipment could use a cleaning....

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post #10 of 10 Old 11-06-2009, 12:46 PM
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I agree. I'm not necessarily recommending that people switch to UGF but they do work. I’ve also read several posts on this site that talk about how bad they are or unhealthy, but if they are maintained correctly via gravel vacs, I haven’t actually read any scientific data that states they are bad or unhealthy for fish. I’ve used them now for over 30+ years. And although the technology seems old, the principles that they work off are still sound.

Now having said all that I will someday soon remove the UGF because I want to switch to a Flourite substrate for my Amazon swords. I’m not removing it because of any problems using them. I understand that swords don’t like their roots disturbed.

Here’s some pros and cons. Most of the Cons are easily address by proper maintenance which all filters require.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebindex/ug5proscons.htm

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