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Old 01-09-2007, 04:50 PM   #141
 
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If I did choose a loach, particularly the botia, would there be a point to having a cory cat? Should I pick one or the other? I'd like maybe 2 small plecos(pit bull, and bulldog). I guess I really just need to figure out the bottom feeder and algea eater scheme and what would be reasonable.
Lol..You're having too many choices for bottom dwellers. Which one do you like?:) Cories are fun, loaches are exciting, otos can consume algae, some plecs are pretty.
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Also I forgot to add something. I don't know if my gravel is fine enough for the kuhlii. Would that mean it wouldn't be idea to have the botia either?
I'm more concern about the kuhlis as they tend to dig under the substrate.:) If the substrate is sharp, your kuhlis will injure them easily and same goes with the cories' barbels. The plecs may suffer scratches on their underside part and the loaches mostly on the underside.
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Old 01-09-2007, 04:58 PM   #142
 
you have been saying A cory cat. Cories need at least 4 in a group for them to show their fun behavior. 6 would be better.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:03 PM   #143
 
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If you are working with the standard size gravel, found in most LFS's in a wide range of colors, the botia loach should be fine, but may eat the shrimp. The botias tend to stay above the gravel and hide more in cave settings and under the edges of rocks and drift wood, in plants, etc.

The angelicus botia will get about 5 inches long full grown, so if you wish to keep the shrimp with the loach, I would suggest A LOT of java moss and other dense plants down low along the gravel line, spread over as much of the bottom of the tank as possible. I've seen it done, (keeping both together), but it's not an easy task.

The same thing will apply with the corys, but they are less aggressive than the loach, so the chances of making the shrimp work with one or the other, I'd choose the corys, personally.

With the shrimp, I agree about the slow stocking, especially in a newer tank. Shrimp are extremely sensitive to water quality and it doesn't take much to kill them... just a small ammonia or nitrite spike would do it. I usually advise waiting until the end of stocking before adding shrimp and/or bottom feeders. This avoids the problems that can come with spikes in water parms due to new additions to the tank, and it also allows a natural food supply to begin building in the tank, ensuring that these animals are getting plenty of food without having to increase feedings (and thus, fluctuate water quality).
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:05 PM   #144
 
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In that size of a tank I wouldnt add more than 3 - 4 of the corys.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:28 PM   #145
 
This is why I like to have a bigger than possible list! There always seems to be a conflict, hence narrowing down my options and/or leading me to create a whole new proposed list
It's okay though, I'm learning a lot, and the information can't hurt. Especially before adding the fish:)

So the botia could eat the shrimp hmm... The kuhlii loach is definately out. If I need multiple cory cats, that might be out too. I'm kinda stuck on the pit bull and bulldog plecos(1 of each).
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:19 PM   #146
 
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Kuhlis don't eat shrimps. Any shrimp is fine with them. 'Tis the shrimps with large claws I'd be worry about. Some species have large claws and they should be avoided especially the crayfish. I'd recommend Botia sidthimunki, better known as Dwarf Chain Loach and the kuhlis if the shrimps you're going to keep are smaller species. Ghost shrimps can do well with Botia almorhae and Botia kubotai.
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:48 PM   #147
 
hmm, i have a 20 gallon high aquarium, what kind of bottom dwellers can i have?, my info is in my siggy.
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:56 PM   #148
 
Blue, the loaches you mentioned all look great. I'm just concerned as they all seem to need to be in groups. Is that right?
I'd like to get them, but I'm not sure if it would be possible in this tank, depending on what I decided to put in there.
Here's another question: Since they need to be in groups, would it be ideal or even okay to have 1 of each of the 3 or 4 mentioned?
I thought the shrimp would be cool, but if it is going to prohibit certain fish I might hold off. Again, it all depends on the latest proposed list:)
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:58 PM   #149
 
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hmm, i have a 20 gallon high aquarium, what kind of bottom dwellers can i have?, my info is in my siggy.
You can have either cories or kuhlis.:) 3-4 Dwarf Chain Loaches should be ok. They grow to almost 2 inches so that's fairly small and should be fine in a 20 gallons high. I prefer the long one for them though.:)
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Old 01-09-2007, 07:00 PM   #150
 
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Here's another question: Since they need to be in groups, would it be ideal or even okay to have 1 of each of the 3 or 4 mentioned?
You can but this limits your other choices like the otos and plecs. I'd avoid the plecs anyway. They are big waste producers and this will require you more water changes.
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