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This is a discussion on Filtration within the Freshwater Aquarium Equipment forums, part of the Beginner Freshwater Aquarium category; --> Originally Posted by m919 Not worried about the money it will cost me to do this right! My wife told me NO dead fish ...

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Old 03-22-2014, 07:25 PM   #11
 
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Not worried about the money it will cost me to do this right! My wife told me NO dead fish and if I mess this up Ill never hear end of it as well as never be able to get a larger tank So, should I go with a filter that is good for up to 70 gal or something more in the 100's ?

Haha.. Yes.. Do right and make it perfect and your wife will be hooked too(maybe!). Better not lose the larger tank option!!
Don't even bother looking at what size it's rated for . Look at the GPH then do the math. And look at reputation of the filter.

Oh ok RSVBiffer.. I was confused because I know you really do know your stuff lol. I don't remember 30yrs ago but I certainly remember 20yrs ago when I kept salt and boy oh boy have things changed. I didn't filter more then 3-5x I think on my salt back then ... At least I didn't do a UGF though ..


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Old 03-22-2014, 09:02 PM   #12
 
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One thing you should research and read on to greatly reduce your risk of dead fish is drip acclimation. I learned this from a friend who worked in a specialized fish store. They now sell other stuff for pets but still mainly aquariums, fish and supplies. I love that place. Anyway, I went to see her at work one day and saw them doing this with the shipment and asked. I will never not drip acclimate any fish again. Been doing it since almost 10 years ago.

BTW...I asked at PetSmart and they said that they don't have time for that. My thought is that if this was done and they taught customers how to do it that they probably wouldn't need a 14 day guarantee on their fish. Just saying.
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Old 03-23-2014, 04:09 AM   #13
 
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Oh ok RSVBiffer.. I was confused because I know you really do know your stuff lol. I don't remember 30yrs ago but I certainly remember 20yrs ago when I kept salt and boy oh boy have things changed. I didn't filter more then 3-5x I think on my salt back then ... At least I didn't do a UGF though ..
Unfortunately I did do the UGF thing and with an air driven PS . Those were the days, they were very basic and it certainly provided a challenge. Mind you, with that setup I kept a breeding pair of wild-caught Tomato Clowns for 5 years (my biggest fishkeeping achievement IMO) before the male finally curled up his fins. The female kept going for another eighteen months so it is possible but certainly wouldn't advise it . It's easy to get 'hooked up' on turnover rates and forget some of the other basics in good water management but a higher turnover certainly allows a bigger margin of error.

An excellent point you made in your post regarding reputation of the filter as this is all too often overlooked. Far better to have a quality unit with negligible bypass than a cheap 'huge turnover' brand where most of the water is not actually being filtered.

Sidetracking here aren't I, apologies, back to the OP.

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Not worried about the money it will cost me to do this right! My wife told me NO dead fish and if I mess this up Ill never hear end of it as well as never be able to get a larger tank So, should I go with a filter that is good for up to 70 gal or something more in the 100's ?
I would go for the larger filter but before you do that I would decide which of the Cichlids you want to keep, as Agent indicated earlier it is a very diverse group, and then start tailoring your setup to meet their requirements. Even within a specific area the requirements of different species can vary greatly. Taking Lake Malawi as an example, the requirements of Mbuna are very different to those of the Haps/Peacocks.
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Old 03-23-2014, 08:31 AM   #14
 
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Thanks for all the good advise. I will be heading to the pet store today as soon as they open. I have another shopping list to pick up:)
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:17 PM   #15
 
If you are comfortable with whatever your decision is The fish will survive and thrive. In my case I didn't intend to over stock however nature decided otherwise. My platies presented me with approx 30 fry in addition to about 10 other platies and 4 Black Neon tetra in a 29G tank. I had a Fluval 206 in the tank, as soon as the fry appeared I added a Fluval Elite Double sponge as a hedge against overstock.

The fish have been under this regime for about 6 to 8 months with no fatalities in the fry that I can tell. You could base your decision on the parameters in the water with the stocking levels at any level. The system that you have will suffice to start.

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Old 03-25-2014, 05:57 AM   #16
 
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So, I picked up a Fluval 306 canister filter to run with the Fluval 110 that I already had installed. I'm feeling pretty good about my water condition at this point, with a total around 800 GPH. I picked up a test kit and I am now starting my fish less cycle. I have read many posts on this and I feel confident moving ahead. I'm still on the fence with the family of cichlids to put in the tank. I also purchased some Cichlid stone to install for some hiding places. I have about 4-6 weeks to get that hammered out! The initial budget for this tank, BLOWN:)
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:23 AM   #17
 
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Quick story...The tank I have I had from about 2005 until 2008. I sold it to a friend for $50 (what I paid) who sold it back to me in 2012. I gave her $75 because she had a baby on the way. I thought 'Sweet! Put a few plants and a some fish and I'm good to go'. Plants started not doing so well. Changed to fluorite $100. Changed the light $100. Changed the lid $50. Not counting the plants ad fish. I'm probably about another $150-$200 there. Point? It never ends. You'll pretty soon want another tank. I'm getting a 10 gallon from a friend and setting it up in the space underneath my stand.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:26 PM   #18
 
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I was stopped by a " pet expert" at my local chain pet center and she asked me how things were going with my new tank( she helped me with loading my tank a week ago) I told her that all is good and I am starting my fish less cycle. And to my amazement she told me to get 8-10 goldfish to kick start the cycle. Now, I may be getting back into the hobby after a few years off . But, What!!! Am I missing something? Two different types of fish, climate, needs, etc! And no, I did NOT get the goldfish or any other fish at this point.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:50 PM   #19
 
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They're not trained to understand the fish less cycle. I will admit that when I started up again I stocked with fish after seeding some media in a friend's tank. The point is that the bacteria needed for the cycle is all the same. Though when doing it with fish you are doing water changes every day and you run the risk of hurting and killing fish and those that make it would need to be re-homed afterwards.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:58 PM   #20
 
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I can see the point of using tropical fish to help get things started. But, to use goldfish? I have a 400 gallon pond in my back yard to put them in if I thought it was ok to use them in a tropical tank. If I'm wrong please tell me and I'll get some tomorrow.
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