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filtration for 180g planted
Old 01-14-2010, 07:13 PM   #21
 
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ok here was my plan for stting up my 180.
i was going to have substrate, plants, canister all running. then i was going to take a HOB from my established 55g and put it on the 180 and i was going to add my fish.

from what i gather with plants there would be no need to add an established filter. is this correct?
Yes, provided the plants are sufficient to handle the ammonia produced by the fish. With new from scratch setups, I always get all the plants in first, or most of them (sometimes may have to wait for specific plants from stores), to the point I would call the tank "well-planted" though the plants will obviously be small in size but they will grow to fill in. Then I start adding fish. I would not usually be able to buy all the fish I want at one time, just like the plants, so it is a gradual process out of necessity more than design, but I still wouldn't overload with fish just in case.

When I set my 115g back up this past July, after being empty, I moved the plants and fish from the then-existing 90g into the 115g over two days. The filter was new, media and housing, the gravel had been washed and sat in a bin for months, so basically new. The wood and plants came from the 90g so bacteria would have come over on that. All the fish, about 100 of them, went into the tank in one day. No ammonia, no nitrite, no issues, nitrate read 5 on day 2 and has remained 5-10 ever since. I did the same then with the 90g, drained it, cleaned everything, moved it to the new fishroom, set it up, moved the plants and fish from the then-existing 70g into it, all in one day. No problems again. The most obvious proof is probably that experience with the 115g in the 1990's I mentioned previously. The plants certainly did the work in that case.

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Old 01-14-2010, 08:51 PM   #22
 
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I know this must sound very repeatable now to people following my posts....

You can never have enough plants in the tank - Plants are the way to go, they help on so many things as far as water quality & maintance and the fish's behavior , I'd even wanna go as far as saying support of good health too.
Plants, Plants and more plants, that's what I been recommending all over the place by now; it really is the way to go.
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Old 01-17-2010, 03:18 PM   #23
 
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Ok i think i will go with the eheim 2180. my question about media.

from what i understand, plants can handle the biological filtration of a tank.
then why not just use sponges in the filter?

from the setups members are running all use some form of bio-media.
i thought this wasnt necessary w/plants.
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Old 01-17-2010, 03:53 PM   #24
 
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Ok i think i will go with the eheim 2180. my question about media.

from what i understand, plants can handle the biological filtration of a tank.
then why not just use sponges in the filter?

from the setups members are running all use some form of bio-media.
i thought this wasnt necessary w/plants.
Strictly speaking, I don't believe any form of biological filtratio is needed in a well-planted aquarium. A filter with pads/floss to trap minute particulate matter as the water passes through it would be sufficient. I could cite several authorities who say this.

I have always used the "rock" stuff that came with my Eheim, and when I got my Rena XP3 last year I bought Fluval's rock. I remember thinking why at the time, but I thought it probably wouldn't hurt. First, I do have a lot of fish in my aquaria. Second, with what most would term "low" light and no CO2 diffusion, I don't know exactly what amount of nitrogen (via ammonium) the plants are using, and knowing there has to be a balance of nutrients and light I feel the biological filtration occurring in my filter may be useful. But in any case, it is certainly not excessive. I think the point to remember is that with a well-planted tank, mega-filtration (like one would want with no plants and a tank of large fish) is not only unnecessary but probably detrimental. Minimal filtration is all that is needed.

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Old 01-17-2010, 04:01 PM   #25
 
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Strictly speaking, I don't believe any form of biological filtratio is needed in a well-planted aquarium. A filter with pads/floss to trap minute particulate matter as the water passes through it would be sufficient. I could cite several authorities who say this.

I have always used the "rock" stuff that came with my Eheim, and when I got my Rena XP3 last year I bought Fluval's rock. I remember thinking why at the time, but I thought it probably wouldn't hurt. First, I do have a lot of fish in my aquaria. Second, with what most would term "low" light and no CO2 diffusion, I don't know exactly what amount of nitrogen (via ammonium) the plants are using, and knowing there has to be a balance of nutrients and light I feel the biological filtration occurring in my filter may be useful. But in any case, it is certainly not excessive. I think the point to remember is that with a well-planted tank, mega-filtration (like one would want with no plants and a tank of large fish) is not only unnecessary but probably detrimental. Minimal filtration is all that is needed.

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makes sense to me. ill just run sponges then.
dont know what ill do with the other baskets.
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:23 PM   #26
 
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makes sense to me. ill just run sponges then.
dont know what ill do with the other baskets.
They do trap particles though assuming they have something in them. My first basket in all three has ceramic disks, and they trap a lot. They also ensure the water flows evenly through the filter, perhaps less important if all we care about are the pads, but still something. Bacteria is obviously growing on them, but again I suspect it is minimal. B.
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Old 01-17-2010, 05:29 PM   #27
 
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They do trap particles though assuming they have something in them. My first basket in all three has ceramic disks, and they trap a lot. They also ensure the water flows evenly through the filter, perhaps less important if all we care about are the pads, but still something. Bacteria is obviously growing on them, but again I suspect it is minimal. B.

i do have some filter floss i could use. i dont see eheim selling ceramic disks.......please clarify.
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Old 01-17-2010, 07:37 PM   #28
 
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i do have some filter floss i could use. i dont see eheim selling ceramic disks.......please clarify.
Its called Ehfimech (the Eheim):
Eheim Ehfimech- 1Liter at Big Al's Online

Or Fluval's is called "Prefilter", it is the same thing, ceramic disks that last forever.
Fluval Pre Filter Media 25.5 OZ. at Big Al's Online

The other media, the "rock" as I call it, goes in the second basket and Fluval call it BioMax
Fluval Bio-Max Rings 500GR at Big Al's Online

and Eheim call it Substrat
Eheim Substrat Pro 5 Liter at Big Al's Online
and it costs two or three times as much. Eheim also make one out of plain lava rock that I used for years. I'm now using Fluval media simply because it is half the cost for basically the same thing.

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Old 01-17-2010, 08:13 PM   #29
 
I can't resist asking, but why couldn't you, if it existed, have a tank one could close the top on and seal, with a line in and out that only housed a heater, substrate and plants, to act as a filter for increased bio loading (something I'm not interested in, just being academic here). Kind of like the Fluval Edge with no fish. I'm beginning to think I like a "medium" planted tank, not a heavily planted tank, like for example - the tank at the front door at King Ed's. But I do like the idea of the plants doing all the work. I could see some filtration along the line somewhere to "clean the water" a bit, more mechanical than anything else.
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Old 01-18-2010, 12:34 PM   #30
 
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I can't resist asking, but why couldn't you, if it existed, have a tank one could close the top on and seal, with a line in and out that only housed a heater, substrate and plants, to act as a filter for increased bio loading (something I'm not interested in, just being academic here). Kind of like the Fluval Edge with no fish. I'm beginning to think I like a "medium" planted tank, not a heavily planted tank, like for example - the tank at the front door at King Ed's. But I do like the idea of the plants doing all the work. I could see some filtration along the line somewhere to "clean the water" a bit, more mechanical than anything else.
Am I understanding correctly, that you are thinking of a planted tank that is itself the "filter" for water coming from another different tank with the fish?
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