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Old 06-16-2008, 11:44 PM   #11
 
Carbon does not do as well with organics as it does with metallic and heavier elements and compounds. An example would be that it does not filter out ammonia, an organic compound.

As far a s causing Hole in the Head, here is a link that many may be able to reference, http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=2586
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:07 AM   #12
 
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Carbon does not do as well with organics as it does with metallic and heavier elements and compounds. An example would be that it does not filter out ammonia, an organic compound.

As far a s causing Hole in the Head, here is a link that many may be able to reference, http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=2586
Again, i am incredibly puzzled that i am having this conversation with an experienced fishkeeper. I suppose you haven't had the exposure to chemistry to properly understand the situation...

The fact that Carbon is more efficient at removing heavy metals does make it inefficient at removing organic compounds. Specifically, carbon is most effective at removing polar charged organic molecules, making it effective for molecules that do not bond at the air/water interface. This is why carbon tends to be less effective in a sump system. The water entering the sump has been skimmed from the surface.

As to Hole in the Head, again, we agree. The cause is undetermined. You can not state for a fact any cause. However, we can state many factors that are linked to its development, one of which is degrading water quality.

Again, i just don't understand why we are having this conversation. This is advanced fishkeeping 101.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:33 AM   #13
 
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I believe in the Interest of those who do not posess Advanced Fishkeeping skills myself included, That to suggest that carbon is not necessary is dangerous. Better to let them reach their own opinions on this particular topic as they gain more knowledge. Too many fish at risk otherwise.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:07 PM   #14
 
Your being puzzled puzzles me. We are having this conversation to teach others. It seems as tough you are taking a seemingly personal position as though I am attacking you. I am not. In order for some less experienced keepers to learn, they must be exposed to the facts. Since we are discussing the subject we should be cooperating in the discussion. If you are having a problem understanding, you should opt out. But in our cooperative discussion, we are teaching. Many do not know, or understand, the intricacies of the hobby, this being one of them.

I understand carbon all too well. I designed process systems for a quite a few years. I also studied chemistry in college. Basic as it was. As many chemicals and compounds will react with certain metal compounds, I had to know what to use and when in designing many systems.

Most do not know that carbon does not react but absorbs impurities. So, keeping old, "loaded" carbon only compounds a problem. That is why it needs replaced regularly. The same goes for Zeolite, an ammonia absorbing material.

Carbon does have its uses. However, the fishkeeper needs to realize the Dangers and drawbacks to using it. It is not a cure all. Nothing will take the place of regular, painstaking maintenance.
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:31 PM   #15
 
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Your being puzzled puzzles me. We are having this conversation to teach others. It seems as tough you are taking a seemingly personal position as though I am attacking you. I am not. In order for some less experienced keepers to learn, they must be exposed to the facts. Since we are discussing the subject we should be cooperating in the discussion.
On this point, i agree completely and apologize if the tone has become personal. My primary point of disagreement with your point is this quote:
"I use carbon ONLY to filter out medications, as I see in my past experience, it has no benefit otherwise." It is the no benefits that i think is misleading to the reader. Certainly i would never rely on carbon as the only filtration source, but for the advantages vs costs, i think it is well worth the effort.

On another note, there have been many a successful marine reef systems run with HEAVY use of activated carbon in the absence of a protein skimmer. If you understand the need for changing carbon regularly, then you can certainly benefit from its strengths, be it FW or SW.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:04 PM   #16
 
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Well there's one small issue. What I thought was likely an Emperor 400 is in fact a Penguin 300.
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Old 06-18-2008, 06:06 AM   #17
 
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Pasfur, :) Thank you for recognizing the concern I attempted to express. Surprisingly enough to a few, I completely understand the conversation. It was others I was thinking of.
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Old 06-18-2008, 09:06 AM   #18
 
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Well there's one small issue. What I thought was likely an Emperor 400 is in fact a Penguin 300.
Ok then, back on topic...

The Penguin 330 is similar to the Emperor, but lacks additional carbon trays. Personally, i cut the sleeves open, add more carbon, and then use rubber bands to hold them back together. I replace the carbon every other week, and give the filter pads a good rinse. I have a couple of these 330 units that I ran on FW systems using this technique, with good success.

For clarification, the water should flow into the filter pad first, with the carbon side of the tray facing the aquarium. This helps prevent the carbon from becoming surrounded by large particles in the water, reducing the effectiveness.
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Old 06-18-2008, 10:02 AM   #19
 
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Are the 300 and 330 identical? The hood of the unit is clearly marked 300. I ask because all the spare parts I see are for 330's and if they are identical I'll be happy.

What threw me off was that the unit has a basket and a cartridge slot in each compartment instead of just the two cartridge slots I would have expected for a Penguin. The cartridges look idiot proof as they have tabs that make them almost impossible to put in filter side towards tank but they slide right in carbon side to tank. The carbon in the cartridges that came with the filter is likely long deactivated so I'll be buying new ones.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:31 PM   #20
 
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I may not be aware of this upgrade feature. Are you telling me that the 300 has an additional carbon tray, similar to the Emperor?

Yes, i have 330's. The 300 is the upgrade. I do not own a 300.
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