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Betta died, And fear I'll lose my angel fish Please help?
Old 02-07-2010, 12:02 PM   #21
 
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The intank whisper filters, (the ones that end in i ((20i,30i etc))) I don't think have room for a biofilter. I try to only use them in tanks that already have canister filters. I have a 30i in my 55 along with a fuval 401. Together they work great, but the little 20i I have in my goldfish tank by it self does not seem to work as well.
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:55 PM   #22
 
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The intank whisper filters, (the ones that end in i ((20i,30i etc))) I don't think have room for a biofilter. I try to only use them in tanks that already have canister filters. I have a 30i in my 55 along with a fuval 401. Together they work great, but the little 20i I have in my goldfish tank by it self does not seem to work as well.

Oh boy... Well Cbirk and TwistersMom.. I've read both your replies.. and SO Appreciate your help.. Please bear with me.. I'm just feeling overwhelmed and rather dumb at this point.. There's alot of "Aquarium tech terms" that I have never heard before.. I'm just lost... *sigh*
I am trying HARD though... SO.. Here's where I am. I went to Walmart, as thats all there was open today, and I'm not so sure I should even bother with the pet store, because each time I've been there, the guy really hasn't given me the right info. When I asked about the test kit again, he said all I needed to do was take these two strips home, (and he handed them to me, told me to dip it in water, take it out fast, then read it and call him.. WELL... when you've NEVER done this before??? I obviously didn't know what I was doing.. and was trying to read it to him on the phone, but I was looking AT THE Upraised side! And he had no clue when I told him what the colors were..
SO! I could not find the API test kit that was 20 some $, but they had one that was around $5. I am hoping it is just a smaller version of the other $21 one? And that it's not less than the big one..
SO.. here's what I bought:
#1. A replacement filter for the 10-20 gal whisper filtration system.
(In case I should change it.. it has only been in there 2 days, but I'm wondering if it needs changing due to the ammonia? Or does it not matter?)
#2. Jungle Quick Dip Ammonia Test Kit Ammonia Strips $12.00

Which I READ the proper way to do it, and read it from plastic side.. And it was in the middle.. stating STRESS
#3. Jungle 5-N-1 TEST KIT Measures PHD / Nitrate / Nitrite / Hardness / Alkalinity $12.00

wasn't sure if this was the same thing as the next item.. the API pH test kit IF it is, then I'd rather take it back if the API is the one I should use. So please tell me if they are the same, or if #3. or #4 is better?
#4. API ph TEST KIT to maintain healthy freshwater conditions. $5.00 This one has a test tube and liquid for tester..
ALSO bought a floating thermometer, which I don't think works worth a hoot, as I've put it in the betta's bowl which is obviously not heated and then changed it to the aquarium which IS heated, and it didn't seem to change!

So now I'm going to go do a 25% water change.. with treated tap water, and will check back in for any input you can give me.. I'm really trying, and especially am trying to figure out the water filter too..
They didn't have any "SPONGE" filters at walmart... Which I was hoping they would, so I could buy and learn more about it.
Funds are getting tight.. but I want to do what is right seeings I started this...

Sorry to be such a pain.. and so DENSE!
If you were asking me about boxers?? Feeding raw diet? yadda yadda??? I could give you ALL SORTS of input! lol but fish? *oh my*

K<~~off to change aquarium water..
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Old 02-07-2010, 10:28 PM   #23
 
Should I do an ammonia test right after I've changed 2 gallons of the old water for 2 gallons of the treated water? AND.. I have stress coat... Should i put some in? I'm afriad my plecostomus sp? isn't looking so good.. :( I know that what you've all said is the less chemicals added is better.. but at this point I'm wondering if I shouldn't try the Stress Coat to help the pleco? The strange thing is the bright yellow and orange glo fish are just going like crazy, and don't seem to be affected. The walmart aquarium guy told me that they were rather fragile.. YEAH RIGHT! They seem to be the hardiest of all! The pleco was close to the top on the side, and didn't move much when I put in water, and when he did? He was kind of hanging in the plastic plants. Maybe just feeding? But I kinda don't think so.. *geez* Wondering if I will lose him too... :(

K<~~hates not knowing what she's doing...
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Old 02-07-2010, 11:18 PM   #24
 
I'm kind of new to this, too, but it would help if you post the numbers that you're getting from the test kits for pH, Ammonia, etc.... I'm sure someone can give some input once that info is available. But since I'm up...

Is the Jungle kit a 5-in-1 a strip, or liquid kit? Is this it?
Aquarium Water Tests: Jungle Labs Quick Dip Test Strips

Most people seem to recommend the liquid kits for accuracy. But, it sounds like the API kit you have only tests pH - the API Freshwater 'Master' kit has liquid tests for pH, Ammonia, Nitrate, & Nitrite. Hardness and Alkalinity are in a seperate API kit. IMO, use the strips you have for now, and trade in the API pH kit for the Freshwater Master Kit when you get a chance. BTW, this is what you're looking for:
Aquarium Water Testing: Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Freshwater Master Test Kit
(Though the pic has the wrong bottles in it)
Or, you can keep the pH kit you got and just add the individual liquid Ammonia, Nitrate, and Nitrite kits to end up with the same thing for a couple of bucks more.

IM (uneducated) O, at this point, the filter isn't that critical, and isn't causing your problem (if you really think it is, take it out and just do daily water changes for awhile). The new filter (w/ sponge and carbon) in a new tank is basically just circulating water and cleaning floating stuff out of the water (mechanical filtration), and a few particles floating in the water generally won't kill fish. The tank hasn't been running long enough to have any bacteria in the filter to deal with the ammonia being generated by the fish. However, if there's too much ammonia, the pH is way out of range, or there's something else going on w/ the water, that will affect the fish. In that case, it's a 10gal tank, so it's easy enough to change some (or even all) of the water daily until someone figures out the problem. BUT, in order to determine that, the actual numbers from the test results are needed (on the strips, you'll probably need to compare the colors to a chart in the instructions or on the bottle). Test your tap water and the water in the tank and report back. Eventually, you will want to address the mechanical filtration requirements of your tank and how the biological element comes into play as well, but I think (again, in my limited experience) that's secondary right now.

Don't add anything to the tank until you've posted the #'s.

Oh, if you test after the water change, give it ~1/2 hour with the filter running first to make sure the water 'mixed'.

Oh, BTW, here's a good site to get some guidelines about what you can put in your tank once it's up and running:
AqAdvisor - Intelligent Freshwater Tropical Fish Aquarium Stocking Calculator and Aquarium Tank/Filter Advisor
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:02 AM   #25
 
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I'm kind of new to this, too, but it would help if you post the numbers that you're getting from the test kits for pH, Ammonia, etc.... I'm sure someone can give some input once that info is available. But since I'm up...

Is the Jungle kit a 5-in-1 a strip, or liquid kit? Is this it?
Aquarium Water Tests: Jungle Labs Quick Dip Test Strips

Most people seem to recommend the liquid kits for accuracy. But, it sounds like the API kit you have only tests pH - the API Freshwater 'Master' kit has liquid tests for pH, Ammonia, Nitrate, & Nitrite. Hardness and Alkalinity are in a seperate API kit. IMO, use the strips you have for now, and trade in the API pH kit for the Freshwater Master Kit when you get a chance. BTW, this is what you're looking for:
Aquarium Water Testing: Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Freshwater Master Test Kit
(Though the pic has the wrong bottles in it)
Or, you can keep the pH kit you got and just add the individual liquid Ammonia, Nitrate, and Nitrite kits to end up with the same thing for a couple of bucks more.

IM (uneducated) O, at this point, the filter isn't that critical, and isn't causing your problem (if you really think it is, take it out and just do daily water changes for awhile). The new filter (w/ sponge and carbon) in a new tank is basically just circulating water and cleaning floating stuff out of the water (mechanical filtration), and a few particles floating in the water generally won't kill fish. The tank hasn't been running long enough to have any bacteria in the filter to deal with the ammonia being generated by the fish. However, if there's too much ammonia, the pH is way out of range, or there's something else going on w/ the water, that will affect the fish. In that case, it's a 10gal tank, so it's easy enough to change some (or even all) of the water daily until someone figures out the problem. BUT, in order to determine that, the actual numbers from the test results are needed (on the strips, you'll probably need to compare the colors to a chart in the instructions or on the bottle). Test your tap water and the water in the tank and report back. Eventually, you will want to address the mechanical filtration requirements of your tank and how the biological element comes into play as well, but I think (again, in my limited experience) that's secondary right now.

Don't add anything to the tank until you've posted the #'s.

Oh, if you test after the water change, give it ~1/2 hour with the filter running first to make sure the water 'mixed'.

Oh, BTW, here's a good site to get some guidelines about what you can put in your tank once it's up and running:
AqAdvisor - Intelligent Freshwater Tropical Fish Aquarium Stocking Calculator and Aquarium Tank/Filter Advisor
THANK YOU SO MUCH for the reply! I've been reading and reading others posts trying to learn.. and checking back here.. So I very much appreciate your reply.. I'm usually always up way late.. so it's hard to expect someone else to be around, when most ppl are off to bed.. lol I'm a night owl.
The 5-N-1 is a test strip.. I will go do that NOW.. and then will do as you have suggested.. Someone else also suggested this, but at that point I didn't have these items to test with. So I will go do this PRONTO!
And thank you for clarifying the API pH test kit.. I was told to get the master kit, and was given a link, but... Walmart only had this one, so I was kind of grasping at what I could get my hands on. The guy that works the fish section at the Walmart, TOTALLY has no clue.. and he admits it! Yet.. he's the one that tells me what I need or don't need!!??? Go figure.. So obviously I don't bother to ask anymore, and listen to what those of you that KNOW here on the forum tell me.
I did wait about a 1/2 hr, then re-tested, and it said SAFE , but I fear that won't last, and will be faithfully doing changes tomorrow.. and hope n' pray my pleco is ok. and Moe~Larry~&~Curly (thats how they strike me with their goofiness and busy, busy selves) strangely seem to be oblivious to whats going on. *whew* Hope they stay that way!
I've got to find this sponge/filter deal.. Wish they would have had it at Walmart.. I'll go to pet store tomorrow to find it. Seems I recall having a water filterAND also an aerator sp? in my tank 20 yrs ago.. Am wondering if I'm missing that?
When I came on here and was told to go ahead and use the larger water filter, I removed the small Whisper filter and it was pretty green. I have not looked at the big one's filter yet, as I thought I better ask.. Wasn't sure if this was part of the bacteria that was spoke of that was necessary..
*geeez* Do you guys know how ignorant this makes one feel! *taps fingers* Frustrating.. but I don't want to give up!
I just hope that ya'll can stick with me through this learning period..

K<~~~off to test water with 5-N-1 strip now! Thank you LMychajluk..and thanks to ALL of you who have been so informative.. I'm learning.. little by little..
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:19 AM   #26
 
Did the 5-N-1 Strip test.

Bummed out, because when I went in there, the pleco was laying nearly upside down at top of water.. Thought he was gone, but touched his tail and he struggled to get away. Am guessing he will be gone by tomorrow morn. *really pissed at myself!*
PH = 7.8
Alkalinity = 300 High
Hardness = 75 soft
Nitri= 0
Nitrate = 0

K<~~upset..... fish that die from old age is one thing, but having them die because I was ignorant, just sucks....
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Old 02-08-2010, 09:09 AM   #27
 
Again, I'll chime in until someone w/ more experience logs on...

The pH seems a tad on the high side, though not dangerously so, and the high Alkalinity means the pH will be hard to adjust, so I wouldn't worry too much about it for now. The other numbers are OK (I think). Does your ammonia strip actually give a #, or does it just say 'Safe'? If it's a number, it should be 0. Test the ammonia again ~24 hours after your last water change and see if it is increasing.

What about other parameters? I.e., temp should probably be around 72-76 for Glofish and a pleco. Is the water otherwise clear?

What's left in the tank? The glo-fish, and the pleco (did he make it)? What are the glo-fish doing? If they're swimming around, they're probably OK. If they're swimming near the surface and look like they're trying to breath from the surface, there may not be enough O2 in the water. This could be from high ammonia, or not enough agitation of the surface of the water (though the filter should be providing enough....). If it's not the ammonia, here's where the larger filter and/or an airstone will help.

What about these ornaments and plastic plants in the tank you mentioned? Where did you get them? Were they made specifically for an aquarium (if so, they should be OK)? You may want to take anything out of the tank that's not neccessary before your next water change, as there is a possibility they could be leeching something into the water.

Also, double-check your dosage on the water treatment you're using on your tap water. Make sure you're not adding too little or too much.

And don't overfeed the fish - once a day for now, and just a little pinch of food. Any excess food can turn to ammonia quickly.

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Old 02-08-2010, 09:30 AM   #28
 
Oh, and is there anyting IN the aquarium that you can identify as the source of the funky smell, or is that coming from the water itself?
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Old 02-08-2010, 01:52 PM   #29
 
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the API 5 in 1 test strips do not test ammonia unfortunately, and being so early in your tank cycle im sure thats what is currently toxic. the fact that nitrite and nitrate are both at 0 when your tanks only been up for such a short time i think confirms that the tank has not built up a strong ammonia eating bacteria yet. Make sure you take any fish out that die right away, also be sure you have a proper head count of fish. are all the fish you bought alive in the tank, or marked as one you have already taken out? dead fish add heaps to ammonia. I think at this point I personally would continue with the 50% daily water changes. you also need to get a liquid test kit for ammonia.

IMO i would follow the directions on your ammonia detox at this point.others may disagree, but i think it is your best shout at saving the fish that are left.
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:10 PM   #30
 
cbirk - to clarify: kswak said she bought the Jungle 5-in-1 strips and the Jungle Ammonia test strips, so I think she has a full set of test strips. The API Freshwater Master kit (liquid, not strips) that was previously recommended does include the Ammonia test solution.
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