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Aaaargh! Serious filter problems, need help!

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Aaaargh! Serious filter problems, need help!
Old 01-16-2010, 06:02 PM   #1
 
Aaaargh! Serious filter problems, need help!

Ok, so I decided to clean my filters and do some large water changes on my 30 litre and 64 litre tanks a couple of hours ago (also changed the gravel from white to black in my 30l, looks good!).
I noticed the filter wasn't working in my 64l so took it apart and whilst cleaning it found a dead neon tetra inside!! You might have seen my thread 'Disappearing neons' in another part of the forum, well I guess I found one! Still don't know what was happening to them, I think they must have had some sort of disease at the (not very good) LFS when I got them, rest of my fish are fine, as are water parameters etc.
Anyway, I had already moved my 4 adult (which a friend gave me recently) and 2 (remaining from LFS) young neon tetras to the 30l tank to live with my male betta, they are getting on fine.
So I plugged my filter back in in the 64l. Nothing. I have played around with it, tried the age old method of unplugging and plugging it back in etc! Still nothing. I bought the tank as a complete set up and it has a 2 year guarantee so if I can find my receipt I will be taking the broken filter back on Monday (I am working all day tomorrow) to swap it for a new one.
In the meantime, I had a look in the 30l tank to see how my neons were getting on. One missing. Hmm, I looked around the tank, and finally spotted one of the two remaining young ones stuck in the back of the filter, dead. I removed it, and took the filter out. I was keeping some guppies in there a couple of days ago and my smallest male got stuck in the exact same place, and crushed his spine and I had to euthanise him using the freezing method (another thread elsewhere on the forum). Needless to say, this filter will NOT be getting used again!
So basically, I know very little about the many different types of filters out there, having only ever bought complete set ups and still being relatively new to the hobby. Does anyone know of a good, cheapish, filter which I can use for my 30l (about 8 US gallons)? Preferably one that is not a fish killer?!! I am going to have a look on ebay now.
And how detrimental is it going to be to my two tanks which are now suddenly without filters until I can get new ones?! Not happy!
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:12 PM   #2
 
Clearseal Internal Filter Kit for a Small Aquarium on eBay (end time 03-Feb-10 15:10:29 GMT)

What about this one?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hagen-Elite-St...item27ac7f0507

Or this? It says up to 25 litres though, would that still be okay?

Any suggestions welcome!! :/
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:24 AM   #3
 
One idea is to get mesh (metal free of course) and put it around the filter intake so the fish cannot be sucked into it.
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:35 AM   #4
 
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Oh shooters that ain't cool at all.
For both the 30L and 64L I'd pers add a sponge filter such as these Bio Foam Single Sponge Filters, Sponge Filters | Pet Solutions
I know its not a UK store, but I'm VERY sure you'll find a similar product over there.
Will be appropriate enough for your tanks sizes but its a "no kill" filtration. Which doesn't mean your Neon's couldn't die of any other cause, but at least you won't have the filter suck them in.
I actually had great success with Tetra/ small fish that also don't like a bunch of current using these filter set ups (You can currently see these filters set up in both my new 10g's under the aquarium log).
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:40 AM   #5
 
Sorry I didn't phrase that very well in my ranting lol. It wasn't the filter that actually sucked them in, the trapped guppy and neon had somehow got behind the filter which was stuck onto the flat glass side with suckers, and got wedged into a small hole back there and then got themselves stuck. It wasn't the current that had sucked them in as the current is at the front, I think maybe they were getting harrassed by other fish and had tried to hide back there. And the tetra I found in the larger filter from the 64l was already dead when it got sucked in as it was half eaten. :/
I think maybe a sponge filter could be good though as bettas and neons don't like too much of a strong current so maybe a sponge filter for my 30l. I just wasn't sure if these were as effective as other filters.
Thanks guys.
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:50 AM   #6
 
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Apart from the sponge already suggested...Do you offer them other hiding places but the filter in your tanks? Ideally a bunch plants will do the trick for everybody to get a lil alone time if they'd like.
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:05 PM   #7
 
Yeah they have decor and a few plants, I will be adding more soon. I think it was because I had just added the neons and they were a little freaked out by their new home, and the guppies were in there temporarily and I suspect there was a bit of bullying going on in the smaller space, as it was the smallest male which died, and he had previously had his tail nipped (the only trouble I've ever had with fin nipping).
How do the sponge filters work? I don't know what else I need to buy with them, a powerhead or pump or something? :/
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:18 PM   #8
 
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Sponge filters are powered by air pump's. Like on my 10 gallon's (~40 liters) I use air pumps that are 1 watt "strong" and that's plenty sufficient.
And that's really all you'd need, a sponge filter like what I posted earlier and a small air pump.
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Old 01-17-2010, 01:13 PM   #9
 
Ok, thank you!
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Old 01-18-2010, 03:55 PM   #10
 
I took my broken filter from the 64 litre tank back to the store where I bought it and they tested it, couldn't get it to work either... So they GAVE me a brand new Fluval U2 filter! :D Very happy haha.
As for the smaller filter for the 30 litre I think I am going to simply use string to tie a bit of sponge or something to the back of it so the fish can't get stuck in there again. Does that sound okay? There's nothing on the back which will affect the filter working as far as I can see.
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