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Very excited! First successful brood of Angels but in need of advice from the EXPERTS

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Very excited! First successful brood of Angels but in need of advice from the EXPERTS
Old 07-26-2011, 09:04 AM   #1
 
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Hi all, I have been quiet on this forum over the past year as we settled in with our pride and joy, 5ft display tank and have added a little 2ft tank that we have been breeding mystery snails and guppies in. Primarily we chose to breed the mystery snails for 2 reasons;
1. For their obvious invaluable assistance with keeping both tanks nice and clean and;
2. To provide food for our snail loving Clown Loaches and surprisingly enough, our lovely Blue Tongue Lizard

Anyway, I digress (as I do a lot.....sorry) We have managed to strike gold with our Angel Fish in our community display tank. From an initial 5, we managed to end up with a beautiful breeding pair (this was sheer luck infact, the male was just days away from being sold for his super aggressive nature when all of the sudden, we awoke to tiny yet unmistakable eggs on our huge Anubias!)

So, we watched with our hearts in our mouths to see what would happen with these eggs. I must say though, we didn't hold out much hope for their survival given their tank mates (3 massive MALE Silver Dollars, 5 super active/naughty Clown Loaches just to name the biggest and most obvious predators). We sat back and watched what would happen.

This FIRST time, it was heartbreaking to see but a large number of the eggs never fertilised and the others, were eaten most likely by anyone and everyone within the tank.

We sought some advice from our much valued Qualified Aquariust friend who advised us to ''just see what happens". All is not necessarily lost, sometimes this can happen up to 7 even 8 times before you will have a successful brood.

The SECOND time was a little better. The eggs actually made it to fry stage with clear 'tadpole' like features and gorgeous little eyes. However, this was not to be and we slowly saw them disappear.

THIS time (these have all been spaced approx 2 weeks apart) we got eggs YAY! we saw 'tadpole fry' YAY! and THEN........this morning, we awoke to the most magical sight FREE SWIMMING ANGEL FRY YAY! YAY! Yes, I am just a little excited.

Sooooooo, my dilemma and advice begin here........

The Angels are currently in our community tank where they clearly can't stay. We quickly divised a make-shift divider for the tank this morning using the base from an old undergravel filter and put sheer stocking over it to stop the babies from moving through the gaps yet not compromising the filtering, water movement etc and we have a 5ft air curtain so aeration is not an issue.

This set-up is clearly an emergency scenario as we really weren't expecting success yet. Late this afternoon I managed to purchase another tank which is more than big enough for the Angels and their babies. This will be ready to go by Sunday afternoon (have to collect and cycle).

QUESTION ONE: When can we transfer mum, dad and the babies into their new tank? Can we simply take the entire driftwood with Anubias attached (where fry are) as well as mum and dad and place them into the new aquarium?

QUESTION TWO: Do we leave mum and dad with the fry to grow up as nature would have it? We are definitely of the mind set that we do not want to artificially raise these Angels. We want to interfere as little as possible as our motive here is nothing to do with us. We are not interested in making money selling Angels etc, we would love to see these babies grow into beautiful Angels raised by their parents. We are not concerned with hindering further reproduction.

I guess the basis of what I am saying is, I want the Angels to be able to do as nature intends as best they can living in captivity.

I apologise that this post is so long, if you have managed to read this far, THANK YOU for your persistance and patience. I really need some guidance here as I want what is best for all my fish at the end of the day.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:37 PM   #2
 
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QUESTION ONE: When can we transfer mum, dad and the babies into their new tank? Can we simply take the entire driftwood with Anubias attached (where fry are) as well as mum and dad and place them into the new aquarium?

QUESTION TWO: Do we leave mum and dad with the fry to grow up as nature would have it? We are definitely of the mind set that we do not want to artificially raise these Angels. We want to interfere as little as possible as our motive here is nothing to do with us. We are not interested in making money selling Angels etc, we would love to see these babies grow into beautiful Angels raised by their parents. We are not concerned with hindering further reproduction.

I guess the basis of what I am saying is, I want the Angels to be able to do as nature intends as best they can living in captivity.

I apologise that this post is so long, if you have managed to read this far, THANK YOU for your persistance and patience. I really need some guidance here as I want what is best for all my fish at the end of the day.

Congratulations on a successful batch. I would move the driftwood over when you move the parents and the babies. It will help with the cycling of the new tank, with a ton of benificial bacteria on the plant and the wood. Also this will give the Parents a place to spawn when they decide to do so again.

On the second question yes you can leave the fry with the parents to allow the parents to raise them. Since they have made it to the free swimming stage looks like the parents are on the right track for parent raising. The only issue that may come up down the road is when the parents decide to spawn again, you can start to run out of room quickly. Depending on how many of the babies that you want to raise, you might want to consider having a grow out tank for the older fry. From the research I have done angels usually spawn about every 3 to 4 weeks. Also have you thought about what you are going to do with the fry that you do raise?
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