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Old 02-20-2013, 08:43 AM   #181
 
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He could be a Mystery snail - I can't tell from the photos. . . at all. I see his little antennae poking out, that's a clue, but I really need to see the shape of the shell to even try to get an ID for you. I've seen Mystery/Apple snails in a HUGE range of colors. . . Both Apple and Mystery are common names used interchangeably to cover quite a few different types of snails, so coloration doesn't necessarily matter in most cases. . . but the shape of the shell is a dead giveaway. Wouldn't hurt him to take him out of the water for a minute to get a clear shot - he is a pretty little guy - keep him away from your assassins!

I hate pond snails, and have thus far managed to keep my tanks free of them. . . that said, I've seen the red/pink and blue 'pearl' varieties (which looks like your picture might be), and they're quite pretty! They're neat, because their shell is translucent white, but their bodies are red/blue, which gives them that neat pearly appearance. Member Sakura has them, and they do tempt me to forget about my ban on pond snails, lol!

Glad to hear that your tanks are back under control and illness-free - and that you've solved the mystery of the non-breeding Molly. Though I gotta say, for having fish that don't mate, you sure manage to end up with an awful lot of fry, lol! I'll never get over the stored-sperm talent that Live-bearers have. Really amazing ability. . . can you imagine if people could do that?!!
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:57 AM   #182
 
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Well, it'd certainly be a handy trick for humans, especially if they could choose to pause it if things aren't going well for them. lol

As for the snail, I only had mystery/apple snails and assassins. Unless pond snails can live in those air tight gel packs with plants, supposed to be snail and parasite free guaranteed, I couldn't have had any pond snails. Or Ramshells for that matter. lol I am thinking, and hoping, it's a mystery snail that will keep the nice color...but as it gets older, the shell will thicken and it may change colors, and I assume into a dark striped purple, like I have one of.
Speaking of my dark striped purple, it had a really messed up shell! A lot of my snails did when I got them, I didn't think it was actual damage. They've all started healing up though, but that one still has it the worst. It's looking so much better though, I'm not sure what I did. lol

Oh yes, babies. I found a new baby in my main tank hiding behind the net I have my sick Hi-Fin Platy in. I dunno who it belongs to, as of now it's impossible to tell. But my fish are hunting for more, so I know someone is dropping babies. I cannot see anyone even remotely acting like they're in labor, which happens sometimes. lol And all of the females that I know are pregnant, or that even have the slightest belly showing, still look the same. I dunno who it belongs to. =o I put it in the nursery. I'd really like my bigger babies moved as of like two weeks ago, but that can't be done right now. x.x Bah, they're big enough to eat the smaller babies, but thus far haven't seemed to try...although I can't find any of the rescued baby guppies from two or three weeks ago aside from one that was older.
I wonder....Well, that baby is pretty, but he was damaged to the point I'm shocked he lived. It looked like someone tried to bite him in half. It's deffinately a male, and he's healed up very well and grown a lot, but he's got sorta a kink to his mid tail/lower back area. He's black with a lighter colored front around his head, and has a yellow tail. I wonder what kind of guppy he is. I hope his tail will recover fully, but he'll probably be a little gimpy for the rest of his life considering it hasn't healed up like normal by this point. That's ok with me since it doesn't seem to bother HIM in the least, I'll be keeping him to be sure he's well cared for, even if he is crippled.
It's very difficult to tell all the babies apart. lol I've had one or two new babies pop in here and there, can't spot a one of them since most were mysteries from my main tank. Makes me wonder what I missed when I find them in there. lol Aside from the older mollies, calico platies, swordtails and the obvious guppies and white platies...I have several groups I have absolutely no idea about and I can never spot the newest babies in with the smaller guppy and platy babies. lol I have some platy-like babies that look like blue platy, some that are an orangey color with no markings at all I have no idea who they belong to, possibly that orange swordtail female I had, dunno at all, have no idea. And some oddball yellowey white babies I think are platies...When you have all those babies together, it's easier to tell the difference between mollies and platies, guppies are very easy since they have very long tails right off the bat, like extremely long tails...but it's harder to tell the difference between mollies and swordtails. So yeah, no idea on those orangey/red babies. LOL Or those ones that seem to be blues as I should only have one...I have found several. They all interbreed, but most of the mothers were bought pregnant and blue platies haven't exactly been in this year, but you never know! I guess I will find out eventually...so long as my big mollies keep their mouthes off everyone. I really wish I could move them. x.x They're freakin huge.

Well, keeping a close eye on all the fish in the main tank, SOMEONE is having babies in there. lol A lot of babies come out pale colored these days, aside from my swordtails. So it's just impossible to tell who's dropping! It's vexing...I'd like to move mom from the main tank, but I dunno who she is. That said, my best guess is either my neon swordtail or that gold dust I've been watching. I've noticed my gold dusts usually come out pale, kinda transparent-like and then grow in orange and black later(Unless you get the ones that are half black and half orange, those almost always come out just like mom). And speaking of her, she's looking a bit plump too. :3 I miss having little half and half's around! ^_^ As for my grand babies coming in...that's one of the few females I've had that allowed males to mate with them. lol She's also being a bit jumpy today, but still doesn't seem laborey...came right up to eat, but I still suspect her most.

Well, I'll update later if I get more babies or find out who mom is. I just hate leaving them in the main tank, I like to let them be in another tank or a big net so they aren't pestered during this time. x.x
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:33 AM   #183
 
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Well, I found mom. I noticed one of my platies swimming up and down in one spot for the most part, but I wasn't positive she was having babies...she JUST had about 30 babies like two weeks ago, but then she kept getting thinner...I thought she was just fat or...well, I shoulda known better. You'd think I would by now, I know full well they can give birth multiple times in a single month, it just doesn't happen often to me...only with my gold dust molly did that happen, but do I know better yet? Nope! LOL I kept seeing babies popping up, but I couldn't get any of them before adults did or they were just too fast for me, I know there's several in there. c.c I popped her into a net with plants, she's one of those few fish that don't freak out over being in one. Got three babies, one in the nursery because I didn't have a net set up yet, and two born in the net. Same time too, ouch. x.x
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:42 AM   #184
 
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awww, TWINS! Glad you figured out who the 'culprit' is, lol! Hopefully you manage to get a few more babies out of her before she's done with this brood. Though I'm sure there will ALWAYS be more where they came from ;)
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:18 AM   #185
 
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Yeah, looks like I lost the majority of the brood though. I put one in the nursery tank, and then when I found mom I put her in the breeder. She had three babies last I looked before bed, but when I got up there was only one in there. I assume either she ate them, or some other fish pulled them through the net. =( So I only got two babies. They're both safer in the nursery tank right now. That was a bummer, I usually don't lose many once they're in a net.
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:49 AM   #186
 
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Aww, bummer! I'm sorry you couldn't save them. It can be really tricky with livebearers. My experience was always the opposite, lol. I found that my fry did best when left alone in the tank. I've had entire broods of 50+ fish survive to adulthood without ever being moved. BUT. . . that was when the tank was Mollies-only. I started with a single male and female, and they were both amazingly sweet fish. . . once I got guppies in the tank, my survival rate for fry went WAAAAAAAY down. Greedy little things!
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:56 AM   #187
 
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Yeah, my mollies have always been pretty greedy fish when it comes to food or small moving objects. They even chew on me when I put my hands in the tank to move or fix something. lol My swordtails aren't much better. My guppies actually are the opposite, they want food like everyone else and join the frenzy, yes, but they don't run down fry, far as I have seen.

Well, anyways...my Creamsicle is acting laborey now, I'm keeping a close eye on her. I can see a biiig dark spot in her belly and it's moved down towards her tail for the most part. So she's either having babies, or having trouble pooping. lol They shouldn't be having issues like that though, the last few meals were plant-matter like fresh veggies and algae. I did put a small amount of brine shrimp in there, but it wasn't much since I split what they got with my bettas and frogs. lol I imagine someone didn't get any, and the rest got a mouth full. But brine shrimp seems to have similar effects to veggies. Makes them poop. =p But I am hoping for babies. I'm gonna fix up the mesh net and add in a blocker for the bottom. They can't pull babies through, there's more room for mom as well, but there is a risk of being mushed. x.x I'm kinda stuck with one risk or another, but if she has a lot of babies, that's the better net choice. Especially since last time she gave birth most of the babies, or so I think, survived. I had about thirty of them...initially thought there were like a hundred, but there was just a lot of big babies, so the adults didn't pick at them as much. I would still rather her be in the net, the other fish pick at her and she gets stressed and MEAN. She bites everyone who dares come near, and then goes back to holding still.

Ah yes, seems my red platy baby decided to become my first male. I don't have any male platies, so I guess she decided to become a he. I thought we were well past the time to do that. Three months passed it at that. Guess not though. It looks to be in transition still...but I did see him mating with a female even though he still somewhat looks female. You can deffinately tell he's turning male though. My guppies and mollies have also been trying to breed, as have my swordtails and platies. That should be interesting. lol I have a blue guppy in there, I hope I get some interesting Muppies with blue on them. :3 The muppies I've seen before usually came out more molly shaped than anything, but usually keep that guppy tail and similar colorings, especially if they're male. I was never that big on guppies, they were my first fish when I was little(I had endlers guppies or something very similar, and I do like those kinds), but the two males I have are rather dashing. I still think they look funny with those small bodies and big fins though. x.x But they have nice personalities and nice bright colors.

Ah yes, I've noticed some of my baby swordtails, although still bite-sized, are growing swords. They're just bumps with now, but I think I have a few pretty boys in there. ^_^

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Old 02-22-2013, 12:51 PM   #188
 
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I've had Mollies take a bit over 6 months to 'turn' male. . . another pretty cool trick that Live-bearers have is that, if they feel that stocking isn't ideal - like if you have not enough boys or girls - they actually CAN change genders! I've never seen this happen, but. . . that's what I've read, lol! I imagine it isn't something that is very common, since I know of several people who keep all one-gender tank of live-bearers. But the possibility is there, lol!

My Live-bearers always nibble at me during water changes. It's cute. . . lol! Good thing their mouths are too tiny to hurt, or I'd be afraid of the tank! Funny how fish have their own distinct personalities, isn't it? I just have always had super sweet Mollies, and very greedy everything else. My first frog - a female - was also very greedy. As bumbling as she could be trying to find food, to watch her go after newborn fry was a thing of beauty. I never realized what amazing hunters ADF are until my guppies had fry. . . she was all over the place, and I had to fast her for 3 days before she started looking normal again. Naughty little piggy!

I'm with you, I don't prefer guppies at all, and don't keep them anymore, either. I actually like Mollies best of all the live-bearers I've kept. . . they (to me) seem so much smarter than the others, so much more aware of what's going on outside of the tank. . . Endler's are a bit different than guppies, I like them better, too. . .

Have you ever tried using one of those tank dividers for your females that don't like the net? I used to do it all the time when I was in my 'saving fry' phase. I just felt to bad for the mommas squooshed up in the breeder net! I had one for my 10g and for my 29 - I don't know if they make them for the bigger size tanks, but they worked great! I could give momma 1/4 or 1/2 the tank all to herself (depending on how many other fish were in there). She wasn't stressed cuz' it was her 'normal' home - no catching/moving - and there's no way the other fish could pull a baby through the plastic mesh - it's much finer than the net mesh. I always put up a 'wall' of stem plants (usually anacharis or fanwort) next to the divider to keep everyone from being curious - if I didn't, the guppies would sometimes jump over, lol
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:00 AM   #189
 
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I have used the dividers before, a few types of them. They all seem to "Fit" but are not tight enough to keep babies from slipping by anyways, and I've tried to block them off with plants and rocks, never worked. And adults just jump over if they REALLY feel like it. lol It was a waste of money. x.x; All that work and it was a no-go each time.


So hey, I found some odd eggs in my nursery tank, I -assume- they're mystery snail eggs...I doubt assassins could lay eggs THIS big, and they were out of the water though...right at the top in a couple places. Have you seen eggs like this before? They were out of the water, so I assume they're all dead, but I put them in my net in the other tank just in case. >>; There were two large egg sacks like that, both out of the water, though I dunno if it was intentional or not. I usually keep the water about an inch from the top since I tend to get jumpers and escape artists among all my fish, frogs and even snails. lol Though I have found both snails and their eggs can actually survive out of water for a time. Example: My Zebra Nerites seem to like being out of the water more often than in it. I found one in the breeder net I was SURE I searched very, very well since I've lost snails that way before...in the net in the bathroom almost two weeks after I removed it from the tank. Thought I'd see for hicks and shiggles if it'd pop back to life if I added water and it did. Still happy and alive today. LOL Stupid thing. No matter how well I search, I always seem to miss one somehow.

If not mystery snails...well, they look familiar to anyone at all? I've never had this happen before.




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Old 02-23-2013, 02:17 AM   #190
 
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And now I took them back out of the water because apparently Mystery Snails lay eggs ABOVE water. >_>; Well how's that for a screw up? Maybe I killed them. T___T
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