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Finally got a breeding pair of Angels
Old 04-24-2011, 09:17 PM   #11
 
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Congrats! So far so good... wishing you luck through this final phase to determine if the parents are going to eat them or not. Usually if they are going to eat the fry it happens within the first few days of free swimming. If they remain protective and care for the young beyond that, I'd say your chances are pretty good they will do well.

Its time to start prepping your baby brine station to start feeding the fry. They should lose the remainder of their egg sacs within a day or 2 and will need to be fed 2 - 3 times/day on newly hatched baby brine.

Wishing you lots of luck, can't way to see how this all turns out!
(let me know if you'd like to see pics of my 5 1/2 wk old angel fry... it will help give you an idea of how quickly they grow)
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:06 AM   #12
 
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Congrats! So far so good... wishing you luck through this final phase to determine if the parents are going to eat them or not. Usually if they are going to eat the fry it happens within the first few days of free swimming. If they remain protective and care for the young beyond that, I'd say your chances are pretty good they will do well.

Its time to start prepping your baby brine station to start feeding the fry. They should lose the remainder of their egg sacs within a day or 2 and will need to be fed 2 - 3 times/day on newly hatched baby brine.

Wishing you lots of luck, can't way to see how this all turns out!
(let me know if you'd like to see pics of my 5 1/2 wk old angel fry... it will help give you an idea of how quickly they grow)
They have eaten some of the fry that originally started swimming. I think they were kind of rough on them sometimes since they were working so hard to keep them form swimming, that i noticed some of the fry got hurt and then when they died the parents ate them up. But right now there are sitll a number of fry left and the parents are still tending to them and catching them all to put them in the new spot.

BBS - I already started the batch on day 5 so i have lots of fresh BBS ready, i fed some today and they ate (saw the little orange bellies on some of the fry)

and i would really appreciate it to see your 5.5 week old fry!

thanks!
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:14 AM   #13
 
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BBS - I already started the batch on day 5 so i have lots of fresh BBS ready, i fed some today and they ate (saw the little orange bellies on some of the fry)

and i would really appreciate it to see your 5.5 week old fry!

thanks!

What is BBS?
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:15 AM   #14
 
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What is BBS?
Baby Brine Shrimp to feed the fry :D
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:18 AM   #15
 
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Baby Brine Shrimp to feed the fry :D
Oh haha, should of known, i have mine in the freezer that i feed all my fish except my babies, i think the pieces are a tad bit to large for them to eat
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:24 AM   #16
 
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Oh haha, should of known, i have mine in the freezer that i feed all my fish except my babies, i think the pieces are a tad bit to large for them to eat

lol ya i have frozen foods like brine shrimp, mysis shrimp and blood worms (and beefheart/liver mixes for my discus). Then loads of different dry foods that i mix in with everything to give a complete balanced diet.

but yeah the frozen brine shrimp are VERY big for fry lol the freshly hatched brine shrimp are so tiny and actually bright orange
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:28 AM   #17
 
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lol ya i have frozen foods like brine shrimp, mysis shrimp and blood worms (and beefheart/liver mixes for my discus). Then loads of different dry foods that i mix in with everything to give a complete balanced diet.

but yeah the frozen brine shrimp are VERY big for fry lol the freshly hatched brine shrimp are so tiny and actually bright orange
lol oh i see, ya i see some of my adult fish like my platies have a hard time eating it, they spit it out a few times before they actually finish it. But i feed it once a day to all my fish and then the other feedings are 4 different kinds of dry food mixed together and crushed up. One of them is to enhance their colors. 2 others are just cheap foods, and the 4th came with my 160 gallons of salt i bought
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:33 AM   #18
 
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Some species of fish fry can and will eat prepared foods such as frozen and crumbled flake, however, many of them require live food for the first weeks, sometimes months of their lives.

I will post some photos of my 5.5 wk old fry, sorry the quality isn't real good but I used the older camera so I could turn off the flash... the parents are still extremely protective when anyone or anything approaches the tank. I also needed the manual focus the "good" camera doesn't have, the fry move too quick and are always on the move when someone is near the tank.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:38 AM   #19
 
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Here are the photos taken this past week/wknd.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:56 AM   #20
 
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The largest fry are now approaching dime size, so you can see, they grow fast. BBS intake has about doubled over their first 5 wks. I only feed my fry once/day, unless I see they need more. Rather than relying on "people" to tell you how often they need to feed, watch them closely. That little orange/pink spot (their stomachs) should always be orange/pink and full looking, but give them time to digest before offering more. They will over stuff themselves if you let them. I don't promote "power feeding" in any species of animal to make them grow faster.

I don't know what your tank decor looks like currently. You can see in the photos that I allowed hair algae to take root and basically overrun the tank. Its not unpleasant looking really, but the reason I allowed it was to promote a natural food source (infusoria) for the fry to feed on between my offerings of BBS. This provides them the most natural diet and environment, and made it much easier for me to keep up with their near constant need for food. I have been working on weaning them from the BBS over the past wk, the larger ones will pick at the powdered flake, but its not enough to fill them up yet. In this way they are getting 2 meals/day along with the natural food source.

Watch your water quality close! When feeding BBS the waste levels will increase quickly. Algae growth can help keep the nutrient levels in check, but keep watch that it doesn't get out of hand... I have found a balance that keeps my nitrates at 10 or less at all times. The fry are very sensitive to fluctuations in water chemistry.

If you use a python hose for water changes, get a prefilter sponge to slide over the end of a filter intake tube that can hang on the side of the tank. It makes water changes fail safe for avoiding sucking up any fry and when the flow reverses back into the tank the fry can swim around it without being thrown by the strong water current. The fry are extremely curious by about the 2 - 3 wk point and will start to venture out to explore further away from the parents.

While watching my tank closely I have seen confirmed signs of communication between the parents and fry. The "warning" or "beware" signal is a fast twitching of the dorsal fin, its almost comical to watch. When its "emergency, hug the parents fast" then they tilt their bodies to the side and twitch all of their fins while swaying slowly back and forth. Its fascinating to watch how fast the fry respond.

As you can see, most of my fish are research projects. I run through a variety of "drills" to observe behaviors among other things. My 2nd pair has spawned yet again, (3rd time in less than 3 wks) refusing to give up, getting more persistent in their efforts.

My next research project begins when I take the fry from my successful parents and attempt a surrogacy of the other pair's eggs and then wigglers with the next spawns from the successful parents. I also have a pair of geophagus iporangensis that are spawning regularly. I have noticed there is about a 2 - 3 wk period of time where the geo fry look identical to the angel fry, so I plan to introduce surrogacy in both directions. I am counting the days now until the angel fry are moved to their own tank or leave for the store so I can push forward with the next project. I think I have finally figured out most of the timing and when I take each specie's fry determines how long until they spawn again... will be touchy but I think I can line them up within a day of each other.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help.
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