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post #1 of 22 Old 08-23-2010, 05:41 PM Thread Starter
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So, I am just about to breed my male and female bettas , and I was just wondering... if my male, Barbossa, were to spawn with one of his future daughters, would the results have anything wrong with them? Like, would the fry be genetic dead-ends or something ? I know that with people, doing so is likely to result in autism or something of the type, but I'm just wondering... does that apply to fish, too?

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post #2 of 22 Old 08-23-2010, 05:56 PM
inbreeding and the problems that come with it applies to all living creatures. not just us lol

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post #3 of 22 Old 08-23-2010, 05:59 PM
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inbreeding and the problems that come with it applies to all living creatures. not just us lol
Yeah, but with fish most of the... ermmm... retarded (physically or mentally) fish die as fry.
Sometimes inbreeding is the only way to establish a specific line.
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post #4 of 22 Old 08-23-2010, 06:11 PM Thread Starter
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Hmmm... that's interesting... sounds like I'm not going to interbreed after all ! If I want to start a new line afterwards, I can just buy a new male or female, and that way I will have more options for color lines, and such! Thanks for the replies, people!

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post #5 of 22 Old 08-23-2010, 06:15 PM
in nature it's ok cause they will be killed as fry but even now with severely endangered animals the conservationist don't inbreed them.that's the last thing the conservationist will wanna do. if they are for the aquarium trade thats another story.still it will produce a nicer strain but not necessarily healthier.

5x2x2 aro,highfin bat,fei feng,ST,albino tinfoil,c.perch
4x1.5x1.5 planted tetras,harlequins,
otto,WMM,2 types of celebes rainbows,rcs,amano, bamboo,red ramhorns,MTS
3.5x2.5x2 flowerhorn,pleco
3x1.5x1.5 russel's lion,blue cleaner,sixline and leopard wrasse,maroon clown pair,green chromis,scorpion,tiger cowrie,turbo,lyretail anthias,jewel,anemone,star polyp,marbled and giant green mushi,zoa
2x1x1 nano sw shrimps
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Ohhh... I think I understand... If the fry are to be kept as aquarium fish, they will do fine (Provided they are well cared for, and thus stay healthy). However, if I were to release the fry into their wild habitat, they would not last very long, being weaker than the average betta?

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post #7 of 22 Old 08-24-2010, 01:10 PM
not really. lets just put it this way we take a gred A red betta and breed it with a grade A female red betta.they spawn and have frys after a few months.we will choose a few of the best from that gene pool either a quality male or female and breed it with another A quality red betta of a different line or parentage according to what we wanna achieve ( be it a larger tail,better colors or size ) this will produce a few better quality bettas with both of the best attributes from their parents.

interbreeding dads with kids or moms with kids will in turn form fry's that are dis-formed or at the same quality or less then their parents, it's like going backwards in the gene pool.it is not advisable to keep this type of fry as we don't want a weakling in the gene pool.just imaging keeping a tank of crooked fish that can't swim or hardly feed itself in your tank. not a very nice sight.

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4x1.5x1.5 planted tetras,harlequins,
otto,WMM,2 types of celebes rainbows,rcs,amano, bamboo,red ramhorns,MTS
3.5x2.5x2 flowerhorn,pleco
3x1.5x1.5 russel's lion,blue cleaner,sixline and leopard wrasse,maroon clown pair,green chromis,scorpion,tiger cowrie,turbo,lyretail anthias,jewel,anemone,star polyp,marbled and giant green mushi,zoa
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post #8 of 22 Old 08-24-2010, 01:15 PM
for more info read this.Inbreeding and Linebreeding

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4x1.5x1.5 planted tetras,harlequins,
otto,WMM,2 types of celebes rainbows,rcs,amano, bamboo,red ramhorns,MTS
3.5x2.5x2 flowerhorn,pleco
3x1.5x1.5 russel's lion,blue cleaner,sixline and leopard wrasse,maroon clown pair,green chromis,scorpion,tiger cowrie,turbo,lyretail anthias,jewel,anemone,star polyp,marbled and giant green mushi,zoa
2x1x1 nano sw shrimps
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not really. lets just put it this way we take a gred A red betta and breed it with a grade A female red betta.they spawn and have frys after a few months.we will choose a few of the best from that gene pool either a quality male or female and breed it with another A quality red betta of a different line or parentage according to what we wanna achieve ( be it a larger tail,better colors or size ) this will produce a few better quality bettas with both of the best attributes from their parents.

interbreeding dads with kids or moms with kids will in turn form fry's that are dis-formed or at the same quality or less then their parents, it's like going backwards in the gene pool.it is not advisable to keep this type of fry as we don't want a weakling in the gene pool.just imaging keeping a tank of crooked fish that can't swim or hardly feed itself in your tank. not a very nice sight.
Nope, not a nice sight! I am definately NOT going to interbreed! Thanks for all the help, everyone!

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post #10 of 22 Old 08-24-2010, 09:48 PM
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I'm not sure where this information is coming from.
In Thailand and in hobbyist breeders it is extremely common to inbreed up to about 5 generations before introducing new blood. We even have terms for it.
You start with an unrelated pair, breed them.. Then when you breed the siblings, or one of the fry back to the parent it's called an 'F1', breeding from those resulting babies is called an F2, and so on.

Without inbreeding we wouldn't have anywhere near the range of tail types, colour patterns , etc that we do today. New patterns are still being created, mostly by inbreeding to ensure those traits are passed on. :)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing it for a few generations unless you start seeing faults/genetic weaknesses coming out, in which case you have chosen a bad pair to start with.
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