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post #1 of 9 Old 12-15-2010, 09:12 PM Thread Starter
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Cross Endler with Platy

From my knowledge of genetics and hybridizing different species and, i dont think this will work seeing how they are two completely different genus... HOWEVER, I have two young Endler males constantly attempting to mate with my sunset female platy.

I am going to see if anything happens, but I doubt anything will come from it.


Anyone have any experience with this specific situation??
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post #2 of 9 Old 12-19-2010, 02:19 AM
from what i know, guppies (close relative to the endler) CAN breed withe mollies

and platies can breed with swords



thos are the only thiings i know,i dont think it will work

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post #3 of 9 Old 09-30-2013, 01:01 PM
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From my knowledge of genetics and hybridizing different species and, i dont think this will work seeing how they are two completely different genus... HOWEVER, I have two young Endler males constantly attempting to mate with my sunset female platy.

I am going to see if anything happens, but I doubt anything will come from it.


Anyone have any experience with this specific situation??

I don't know how late this is, but yes, I have had this experience. In fact, it's happening as I type this.

Actually I had gotten two endlers and two platies thinking that it wouldn't be a problem. I'm a college student, so I don't have THAT much space to be getting a whole bunch of fish. Well, about a week later, I found a platy fry in the tank! I'm not sure if one of the platy's was pregnant before, but they both are now. I noticed that one of the endler's would be nipping at their fins and back ends, but I didn't think he was trying to mate with them...at least I hoped not.

I have guppies at home in my 10 gallon tank, and I breed them, but didn't expect a cross breed of endlers and platies. Not sure what's going to come of this, but I guess I'll find out. It was completely unintentional though, and I plan on taking them home and separating them just in case. Hope this helped a little.
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I don't know how late this is, but yes, I have had this experience. In fact, it's happening as I type this.

Actually I had gotten two endlers and two platies thinking that it wouldn't be a problem. I'm a college student, so I don't have THAT much space to be getting a whole bunch of fish. Well, about a week later, I found a platy fry in the tank! I'm not sure if one of the platy's was pregnant before, but they both are now. I noticed that one of the endler's would be nipping at their fins and back ends, but I didn't think he was trying to mate with them...at least I hoped not.

I have guppies at home in my 10 gallon tank, and I breed them, but didn't expect a cross breed of endlers and platies. Not sure what's going to come of this, but I guess I'll find out. It was completely unintentional though, and I plan on taking them home and separating them just in case. Hope this helped a little.
Not saying that it's not possible, I just don't think your fry are hybrids. Cross genus hybrids do occur sometimes, which is why I'm not ruling it out. However it can be hard to tell with livebearers as they can store sperm. Stores never separate platies by gender so it's not uncommon to buy them pregnant or soon to be. Even if they continue to get pregnant and have fry it doesn't necessarily mean the Endler's are the other parent.
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post #5 of 9 Old 09-30-2013, 01:26 PM
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Live bearers can store sperm from males for a long time - up to a year I have heard - and they can dole it out meaning multiple pregnancies without taking in any new sperm. I am in agreement with BWG - I won't say that it is impossible for them to hybridize, the former is FAAAAAR more likely to be the case.

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post #6 of 9 Old 09-30-2013, 01:30 PM
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I just haven't seen this before, but thanks for clarifying this. I do know that livebearers can hold sperm for months without having a male present, so it is very possible that the endler is not one of the parents.
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post #7 of 9 Old 09-30-2013, 01:56 PM
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Keep us posted - it'll be clear soon enough

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post #8 of 9 Old 10-01-2013, 01:16 AM
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I have raised a lot of Endlers and other livebearers and the chance of them crossing with a platy are very slim. I've bred both in the same tanks multiple times without hybred fry appearing. I actually breed them and Least Killies together without a proble.
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post #9 of 9 Old 10-16-2013, 09:41 AM
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They cannot cross-breed. I have male mollies and platies that mate with my male gourami's, the female too, and we know they can't breed....and each other along with their own females. lol Livebearers often try to mate with...well, anything. I had a guppy once that continuously tried to mate with my mystery snail, and a male platy that often tries to mate with my mollies and my male german blue ram(now that was interesting LOL). It's just what they do. I've had mollies, guppies, platies, swordtails and endlers living together for a long time and have yet to get any cross breeds even from those I know can cross. lol

If your female drops any babies, it's because she was storing sperm from a male platy, or possibly a male swordtail. They can mate one time and then store sperm for up to a year, fertilizing eggs as they choose once, and on occasion, twice a month for that time, or not fertilize any for that time if they don't feel the time is right. It sure would be interesting though, wouldn't it?

To my knowledge on livebearers(minus mosquito fish, no idea on those ones), the only ones that can interbreed are:
Mollies and guppies
guppies and endlers livebearers
Endlers and Mollies
Platies and Swordtails

Any others are either people mistaken on the identities, or just pulling legs. I've seen people put up photos of swordtails crossed with mollies or platies before, calling it rare. Any resemblance is coincidental, photoshopped, or again, mistaken identity. Those species are unable to have babies, they can mate all they want though, and will do just that. lol



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