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post #1 of 8 Old 10-11-2009, 08:41 AM Thread Starter
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New Member! Questions on SUMP and OVERFLOW Box

Hey everyone at FishForum,

I'm new here to FishForum.com and I can say that I am finding very useful information, but one thing that i am still baffled about is the sump and overflow setup. I currently have a 20 gallon tank which is housing a juvi electric yellow and a 2 plecos. I soon want to upgrade and move them into a 125 or 150 gallon tank, i must say that it is a big jump and I'm pretty excited. I've been told many things about the Fluvals and Eheims canister filters, but i'm considering the sump filiteration.

Some questions...

For a 125 gallon tank.. would a 10 gallon sump be suitable?
I've seen people cut holes into the glass... but is there a way that i don't need to cut a hole for the return and just make it come out of the return section?
When power does go out... is there a way prevent the overflow?

I'm looking forward to learning about this setup before i even buy my MONSTER tank. I want to be wise on my decision to make my hobby for aquariums more enjoyable. Thanks for any of the feedback.

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post #2 of 8 Old 10-13-2009, 01:55 AM
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I personally would go with a Eheim canister filter and many members rave about how good it is. It would be a cheaper and better alternative than building a sump, especially for a fresh water tank. A sump is good for a salt water aquarium because it hides the skimmer, heater, ect. But in a feshwater tank its easy enough to hide your heater and filter intake and outtake tubes with some rockwork or plants. For 125 gal aquarium you are looking into I think around a 30 gal aquarium. You would need an overflow box, a good quality one as well as an excellent quality pump. There is a way to stop an overflow, its something about drilling a hole into the pipe so once too much water gets out the syphon will stop.

I think you are looking into a more expensive option, actually really expensive option that won't provide any benefit besides some hidden pieces of equipment, and leave you with a lot of cash missing from your pocket, and maybe even a broken or cracked tank if you need to drill it.

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post #3 of 8 Old 10-18-2009, 09:01 PM
The only point in sumps is to hide the huge gear associated with marine and to increase your water volume to make it easier to keep parameters on the straight and narrow. Usually people get the biggest sump they can accommodate, because the bigger it is the more water there is.

Sumps are all but pointless with freshwater.
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post #4 of 8 Old 10-22-2009, 08:04 AM
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I personally would go with a Eheim canister filter and many members rave about how good it is. It would be a cheaper and better alternative than building a sump, especially for a fresh water tank. A sump is good for a salt water aquarium because it hides the skimmer, heater, ect. But in a feshwater tank its easy enough to hide your heater and filter intake and outtake tubes with some rockwork or plants. For 125 gal aquarium you are looking into I think around a 30 gal aquarium. You would need an overflow box, a good quality one as well as an excellent quality pump. There is a way to stop an overflow, its something about drilling a hole into the pipe so once too much water gets out the syphon will stop.

I think you are looking into a more expensive option, actually really expensive option that won't provide any benefit besides some hidden pieces of equipment, and leave you with a lot of cash missing from your pocket, and maybe even a broken or cracked tank if you need to drill it.
You have to be careful when drilling since it might be tempered and then you have no tank left. Also I disagree about the cheaper, Eheims are awesome filters, however they are also costly and come with no media, you would have to buy media extra. A canister will be at the very least 100.00 likely more then that, you can buy a pump capable of 3 - 6x turn over for 100.00 or 150.00 and plastic tubs make good sumps and they are cheap.

Hiding a heater behind a rock if you have monster fish is begging to have the heating case cracked which is extremely dangerous. Also be ware of overflow boxes, if you get one you need to check on it often, if air builds up the overflow stops and you flood the tank.

I personally agree in this case that a canister is better, only for the fact that they use less electricity, and can be hidden, they also make inline heaters you can plump to the canister. Sumps are great for large tanks, or multi tank filtration, and even over stocking. If you can aford to get a canister for your tank and have no plans of having multiple I say go canister.

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The only point in sumps is to hide the huge gear associated with marine and to increase your water volume to make it easier to keep parameters on the straight and narrow. Usually people get the biggest sump they can accommodate, because the bigger it is the more water there is.

Sumps are all but pointless with freshwater.
Why do you feel they are pointless? They server the same use in FW, give you more volume for more stability, and also a place to hide/protect your heaters.



I forgot to say that a 10gallon sump might be to small to hold the pump and the filter media, with a sump you have to have room for the media and the pump, plus have enough water that it can run without sucking in air. I had a 40 gallon tank on a 10 gallon sump and had to add water almost every day, to keep the water level in the sump at a safe level for the pump.

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post #5 of 8 Old 10-22-2009, 09:00 AM
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Big jump in size lol, i would use your old 20 gallon as the sump and just add the baffles, there are many tricks out there to keep the overflow siphon and prevent sump overflow in the chance a poweroutage. sumps are a giant topic as well as filtration in general. you could always DIY your own can too. Drilling your aquarium is just a way to hide the overflow and not nessicary for a sump. Here is a thread about sumps hope this helps.

P.S ive made like two sumps before from nothing so shhot me a pm if you got q's
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post #6 of 8 Old 10-22-2009, 11:58 PM
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Big jump in size lol, i would use your old 20 gallon as the sump and just add the baffles, there are many tricks out there to keep the overflow siphon and prevent sump overflow in the chance a poweroutage. sumps are a giant topic as well as filtration in general. you could always DIY your own can too. Drilling your aquarium is just a way to hide the overflow and not nessicary for a sump. Here is a thread about sumps hope this helps.

P.S ive made like two sumps before from nothing so shhot me a pm if you got q's
Drilled tank is safer then an overflow box, you don't have to worry about the siphon breaking. I have also built a few sumps myself and I also open for PM if you need help.

My first sump was super ghetto fab. 1 three draw plastic storage chest, 1 55 gallon rubermaid tub, and a DIY PVC overflow. I was broke so I used straws as the biomedia and some bonded pad for mech filtering.
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Drilled tank is safer then an overflow box, you don't have to worry about the siphon breaking. I have also built a few sumps myself and I also open for PM if you need help.

My first sump was super ghetto fab. 1 three draw plastic storage chest, 1 55 gallon rubermaid tub, and a DIY PVC overflow. I was broke so I used straws as the biomedia and some bonded pad for mech filtering.

haha sounds like something along the line of my first one haha
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post #8 of 8 Old 10-23-2009, 11:17 AM
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I can't say I'd ever bother with sumping up a freshwater tank. Marine tank yes, FW no. JMHO.

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