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Old 06-09-2009, 08:40 AM   #21
 
oh i guess i missed that kuhlis wont eat snail, bummer. Can Yoyos be kept singly? and will they be aggressive to other fish? And their bioload, is it high or low like the kuhlis?

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Old 06-09-2009, 10:34 AM   #22
 
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oh i guess i missed that kuhlis wont eat snail, bummer. Can Yoyos be kept singly? and will they be aggressive to other fish? And their bioload, is it high or low like the kuhlis?
Check the link to the loach site I posted previously in this thread, it will answer all your loach questions.
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Old 06-13-2009, 06:55 AM   #23
 
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oh i guess i missed that kuhlis wont eat snail, bummer. Can Yoyos be kept singly? and will they be aggressive to other fish? And their bioload, is it high or low like the kuhlis?
Yoyos are considerably bigger and would have a higher bioload. They should be kept in groups of at least 6. Loaches also like very clean water. If you are going away for periods of up to 6 weeks with no water changes, I don't think you should add anything for the moment.

Perhaps you can take your tank with you when you get settled at college. Then you could have loaches.

Try picking your snails off and removing them by hand. Don't crush them in the tank, that will just pollute the tank.
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Old 06-16-2009, 11:37 PM   #24
 
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Did you settle on any loaches yet?

Nearly all loaches that you'll find are schooling fish and do much better in larger groups. That said, you're much better off getting groups of smaller ones than fewer larger ones.

Honestly, I have a hard time recommending kuhli loaches. I had six of them and hardly ever saw them. Eventually a couple would poke their heads out during feedings, but not much beyond that. That, and they won't touch snails. If I were you, I'd go for a small school of the Botia striata that were already mentioned. Good looking fish, more active than kuhlis and will help eat snails (the pond snails, at least). One more strike against kuhlis is that they really like to eat dead fish. One of mine died somewhere in the rocks where I couldn't find the body, and I believe the others got sick from eating his corpse because every single loach died within 36 hours and no other fish in the tank got sick.
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:13 AM   #25
 
i was thinking more along the lines of getting chain loaches. I saw some at my local petsmart and the only other loach ive found at a petstore/lfs near me was the yoyo loach. I believe chain loaches are Dwarf Loach (Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki) — Loaches Online. the article says a minimum of 5 but will 2 or 3 do ok? has anyone had these before?
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:28 AM   #26
 
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i was thinking more along the lines of getting chain loaches. I saw some at my local petsmart and the only other loach ive found at a petstore/lfs near me was the yoyo loach. I believe chain loaches are Dwarf Loach (Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki) — Loaches Online. the article says a minimum of 5 but will 2 or 3 do ok? has anyone had these before?
As I mentioned back in my first post, I've experience with dwarf loaches. They are like corys in that they live in shoals and "chum" around together, so the more the merrier for them, but if space is a limitation a smaller group (minimum 3) is better than one or two fish. They are very social.

Just make sure you are getting dwarf loaches. Print one of the photos and take it with you. You can't rely on "common" names in stores, I've seen the same fish named 4 or 5 different things in stores, and some names appear on several completely different fish. You wouldn't want to bring home three "chain loaches' only to later discover they are not dwarf loaches and grow to 15 inches and terrorize the rest of the tank.

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Old 06-17-2009, 11:56 AM   #27
 
well the ones i saw was not even labeled a loach, it was labeled _______ botia. I recognized them from the pictures you posted and i reconfirmed it when i got home and searched chain loach on Aquarium Supplies, Pet Supplies and Pond Supplies by That Fish Place - That Pet Place. THe price and pictures match. The thing is, i think my tank can handle 5, but at 10 dollars each, i dont ahve enough moeny to buy 5. Moreover its a risky investment for me because ive never cared for loaches before so i do not have any experience and in 2 months i will leave for school and the tank will cease to be maintained. I will do much more research on loach care and such but currently, i do not think i want to get more than 3 loaches.
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:12 PM   #28
 
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well the ones i saw was not even labeled a loach, it was labeled _______ botia. I recognized them from the pictures you posted and i reconfirmed it when i got home and searched chain loach on Aquarium Supplies, Pet Supplies and Pond Supplies by That Fish Place - That Pet Place. THe price and pictures match. The thing is, i think my tank can handle 5, but at 10 dollars each, i dont ahve enough moeny to buy 5. Moreover its a risky investment for me because ive never cared for loaches before so i do not have any experience and in 2 months i will leave for school and the tank will cease to be maintained. I will do much more research on loach care and such but currently, i do not think i want to get more than 3 loaches.
I personally would not get any fish until you are home and able to manage the maintainance. I think I now remember the algae/bacteria problem from another thread, so you don't want to stress out the fish again, and adding more will only aggrevate the problem. When I knew in 2000 that I would be moving sometime within the following 5 months, I didn't even look at new fish. The ones you have will have a difficult enough time without additional trouble. At least in my humble view.
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:43 PM   #29
 
yea... i just dont want to return from school to find my tank overrun with snails... its one of my bigger concerns is the pond snail population. they seem to be multiplying and im a bit apprehensive about having them go everywhere, especially the filter. I wont be able to control the feeding once im at school so theres potential for overfeeding which would result in more snails... should i medicate then? and just obliterate the pond snail population while its not huge yet?
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Old 06-18-2009, 12:50 AM   #30
 
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yea... i just dont want to return from school to find my tank overrun with snails... its one of my bigger concerns is the pond snail population. they seem to be multiplying and im a bit apprehensive about having them go everywhere, especially the filter. I wont be able to control the feeding once im at school so theres potential for overfeeding which would result in more snails... should i medicate then? and just obliterate the pond snail population while its not huge yet?
Assuming by "medicate" you mean add stuff to get rid of the snails, my recommendation is absolutely not. I am firmly of the view that one should never add chemicals (whether algae "remover", snail rid, pH adjuster, etc) to an aquarium containing live fish, and never add medications unless the fish have a serious disease problem that requires it after other safer methods have been used. A lot of these chemicals have or may have side effects that do not justify their use when there are better means of handling the problem.

If the snails are multiplying now, there is too much excess food for them. I have quite a number of snails in both my aquaria, mostly Malaysian livebearers now but also pond snails. They've been in there (the pond snails) for 12 or more years, but never to the extent that I felt it necessary to do anything to reduce them. Admittedly, having soft and slightly acidic water helps, since there is very little calcium in the water and snails need it to build their shells; there are always some empty shells when I vacuum the substrate. But I'm also fairly certain that they simply cannot find enough food. So nature is taking care of things which is how it should be.

Weighed one against the other, I think excess snails are preferable to more fish when the maintainance will be non-existant. The effect on the fish is far more important. As well, if overfeeding is likely to occur, the snails will be a blessing to remove it. While both have an impact on the bioload, snails are preferable to uneaten food polluting the environment.
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