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Setting up my first goldfish tank (need help).
Old 12-17-2010, 08:30 AM   #1
 
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Setting up my first goldfish tank (need help).

Hello!

I have had an obsession to get goldfish for a long time now. I have finally aquired an empty 55g tank...my perfect chance. What do I need to know about goldfish? Here is my planned setup; 2 Oranda, 1 black Moor, 1 Calico Ryukin.

I have always heard filtration is critical. Would a $40 Aqua-Tech 30-60g filter work? I am prepared for the WC. I can do Massive weekly water changes.

I don't know anything about breeding goldfish, but I am co-shareing stocking space with my brother. I told him he could have 2 goldfish in the tank as long as I could put it on his side of the room (because mine has 78.2 gallons of tank in it). I don't even know if it will work, or how to tell the difference between "boy" orandas and "girl" orandas. Will they breed (and do I need a pond with microscopic organisms for the fry to eat?)? Need help.

I could get the tank running at a moments notice (all I need is the filter and the fish I hope).

If anyone would like to make any suggestions, tips, or advice PLEASE do! Thank you!
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Old 12-17-2010, 12:46 PM   #2
 
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Not sure what to tell you about goldfish but hopefully Lupin will be around soon to give you some advice.
He's got amazing goldfish!
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:04 PM   #3
 
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First, you are going to need WAY more filtration. Goldfish need enough filtration so that the tank volume is being filtered a minimum of 10x per hour. To get enough filtration to do this, check the GPH (gallons per hour) rating on the side of the filter's package, or look it up on line. However many filters you get, their total GPH needs to add up to at least 550 gph, preferably more.

I keep a Aquaclear 70 and a Fluval 4 Plus in my 50g, since the tank has a weird top and won't fit an AC 110 or a canister filter. You might want to look into a canister filter if possible though. Maybe a Fluval 405 and a Aquaclear 70.

About the breeding, they usually gobble up all the eggs right after laying them to if you do have any romance going on in the tank it's unlikely that you will wind up with any accidental babies.

The stocking is perfect, I wouldn't go over 4 goldfish.
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Old 12-19-2010, 09:52 PM   #4
 
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As far as filtration goes, I am limited majorly by budget. I cannot afford a canister filter right now (within probably the next year). I think I can go up to $80 for filtration.. I know that isn't much as far as goldfish goes, but it is the best I can do.

I was hopeing that Lupin would view this thread. I know he is a major goldfish expert and everything.
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Old 12-19-2010, 09:59 PM   #5
 
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I know Lupin well and he will say the very same thing. If you want, you can PM him or look up another thread he has posted in to view his intro that he gives to prospective goldfish owners.

As for the filtration, if you can't provide your goldfish the filtration they need with $80, then the best yu can do is to hold off until you save up more money. Inadequate filtration means that the filter won't handle the ammonia fast enough, allowing it to build up in your tank. Also, Goldfish need lots of oxygen and if your filtration isn't cutting it they'll wind up gasping at the surface.

One Aquaclear 110 should do the job for you and it's well within your budget. Barring that, you can find tons of cheap used filters by browsing craigslist. I get all mine secondhand... Aquaclears are built to last so I have never had a secondhand one break down on me.
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Old 12-19-2010, 10:09 PM   #6
 
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Oh, I am sorry kelly528! I didn't mean I didn't believe you at all in anyway. Or that I thought Lupin would say something different. I just was wondering if Lupin had any opinions or suggestions (like for filter brands), but you have pretty much covered that. Thanks!

I will see what I can find in my budget. Right at this moment I am setting up a low-tech 55g amazon tank, so my budget is alittle tight.

What kind of filter is the Aquaclear110 (e.g. carbon power filter, bio-wheel, canister, sponge, etc.)? I think that my nearest Petsmart (55 minutes away) might carry that brand. I will keep an eye on craigslist.

Thanks so much for the suggestions!
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Old 12-19-2010, 10:25 PM   #7
 
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None taken haha! Just letting you know he'd say the same thing. The aquaclear is a hang-on-back filter. The great thing is that they last forever (I have heard of people with 10 year old Aquaclears still running in their tanks) and run quietly.

More importantly, they are cheap to run because you can put whatever you want in the spot for the filter media and you don't have to buy replacement inserts every month. It comes with a bag of carbon, a sponge and some ceramic noodles, but I saved my carbon for removing meds and stuffed some filter floss where the carbon was supposed to go. I replace the sponge ($2) once a year when it is literally falling apart, the filter floss ($5/bag) every month or two and I haven't had to replace the ceramic yet. So it costs me $7 a year for filter media, way better than $7 a month for a replacement insert.
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Old 12-19-2010, 10:52 PM   #8
 
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Sounds good! I will look for that model at the nearest Petsmart. It will probably be awhile before we go, though. I might order it online if Petsmart doesn't carry it.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:08 AM   #9
 
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You can always start with a good size of 4-5 inches of 2 goldfish. Add the other two when you can upgrade your filter. 10x filtration is indeed recommended for a goldfish setup. If you don't mind, a barebottom setup will make it easier for you to clean their poop out. You can keep the plants potted. Not really appealing to some but very practical in goldfish setups. I've tried gravel all over the tank and it was a PITA to clean even if it was an inch deep. If you insist on keeping gravel or sand, then stick to one inch only. It'll be a bit easier to clean the poop out thoroughly. Deeper if you plan to keep plants. (I prefer to stick them in pots though.)
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:35 AM   #10
 
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Thanks Lupin. I wasn't planning on gravel or sand. I have heard that those are a real booger to clean out with goldfish. I didn't know goldfish liked plants. I thought they dis-liked plants, but I can't remember where I might have read that.

I will probably just start out with "the real deal", it would be alot cheaper in the long run (I hope). I will look into fitration cost. I might do alittle searching the internet to see if I can find some of the filters that have been mentioned.

I don't know what kind of goldfish I would start out with. The ryukin or the Black Moor. I plan to get them pretty small. BTW, is there anyway to determine the gender of a very small black moor (maybe 2-3")? I kinda want a male black moor.

Thanks!
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