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post #1 of 6 Old 07-05-2010, 06:36 PM Thread Starter
Question schooling issues

I have a 50g freshwater tank with a few peaceful species that school
and a few loners i recently added six tiger barbs assumong that they too would school
but as it turns out thier not. My tank s inhabitants are:


1-betta
1-gold gourami
1-golden algea eater
1-spotted raphae
3-red-eyed tetras
3-black skirt tetras
6-assorted rainbows
6-tigerbarbs I purchased all of these fish as wee babies.

I added the betta thinking that its aggressiveness would perhaps school the barbs but i was wrong! what happened is that the barbs intertwine with the rainbows as well as split up both are fast moving
AND MY TANK LOOKS TOO BUSY ANY ADVICE ON GETTING THESE JOKERS TO SCHOOL WOULD BE APPRECIATED.THANKS
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post #2 of 6 Old 07-06-2010, 01:23 AM
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I have a 50g freshwater tank with a few peaceful species that school
and a few loners i recently added six tiger barbs assumong that they too would school
but as it turns out thier not. My tank s inhabitants are:


1-betta
1-gold gourami
1-golden algea eater
1-spotted raphae
3-red-eyed tetras
3-black skirt tetras
6-assorted rainbows
6-tigerbarbs I purchased all of these fish as wee babies.

I added the betta thinking that its aggressiveness would perhaps school the barbs but i was wrong! what happened is that the barbs intertwine with the rainbows as well as split up both are fast moving
AND MY TANK LOOKS TOO BUSY ANY ADVICE ON GETTING THESE JOKERS TO SCHOOL WOULD BE APPRECIATED.THANKS
In my expierience , Tiger barbs are not something I would place with fish that had flowing fins such as the Betta,Blackskirt tetras and Gourami. Placing a dozen or more tiger Barbs in a tank can often keep fin nipping confined among the barbs but I would not bet a large sum of money on it. As the tiger barbs grow, I would expect them to do what Tiger barbs do , (nip the fins of other fishes).
Golden alage eater will do likewise as it matures. (nasty mean as adults)
I would were it me,,(and it ain't) lose the tiger barbs and the chinese algae eater, and increase the numbers of tetras. Do also be aware that tetras can also nip the fins of the Betta or the Betta could become aggressive with your gourami.

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post #3 of 6 Old 07-06-2010, 12:07 PM
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I concur with 1077. I personally would not have a betta in a community aquarium. They do better on their own, or with small bottom fish, in say a 5g well-planted tank. They are too much an easy target for many of the small shoaling fish like tetra, barbs, danios. Even rasbora have been known to nip in such circumstances.

A comment on your other fish, they need larger groups. Tetra should always be at least six, preferably a few more. These are shoaling fish, they occur in large groups naturally, and interact and feel less stressed in groups. Two or three does not constitute a "group" for their purposes.

Tiger barbs are not really community fish unless they are in large tanks with well chosen tankmates such as the lively fellow barbs, loaches for the bottom. In groups of less than 9 or more they frequently (=almost always) will turn aggressive and nasty sometimes on themselves but often other fish. While this may not look like much, it is highly stressful to the fish. The barbs are under stress because they are not in a large enough group, and the other fish are under stress because they are constantly in the "face" of what they perceive (via behaviours and pheromones released by the fish) as imminent danger and trouble, and in the aquarium they have no escape. Have a read of our profile of the Tiger Barb for more info.

Tetras in three's will do much the same; they can suddenly become nasty fin-nippers, and again that betta is too enticing of a target.

As 1077 suggested, returning the tigers, algae eater and betta would be a good move. And increasing the tetras (assuming you want/like them).

One other comment, shoaling fish do not "school" per say; they are often called schooling fish but this is something of a mis-nomer; they are shoalign fish meaning they need to be in a group, to feel comfortable and often they have interaction behaviours that keep them alert and healthy.

Byron.

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post #4 of 6 Old 07-06-2010, 04:27 PM Thread Starter
Thanks i'll keep an eye on the tiger barbs but so far so good and they"re an inch high yes i was surprised at how fast they grew! The algea eater isn"t siamese he is gold and 4' long and he is the best glass cleaner i have ever had. Hopefully i can find more tetras the same size to add. What was i thinking"tiger barbs;pretty".I'll post as i decide what stays.
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post #5 of 6 Old 07-06-2010, 09:34 PM Thread Starter
OMG i cannot find a pet store to trade or take my tiger barbs. Anyone WANT them mine aren"t aggressive or fin nippers and swim with the rainbows. Pick up only pompano beach. fl PM me i will check messages tomarrow evening.
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post #6 of 6 Old 07-18-2010, 12:14 PM Thread Starter
It looks like theres no one in the area to take them so they stay for now there is no trouble with them in my tank it's just too busy.
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