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Odd issue with my Ryukin....
Old 11-14-2013, 04:06 AM   #11
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I'm sorry you feel this way :( My condolences on the passing of Peachy...

The sarcasm was somewhat uncalled for - those who replied to your post had nothing but concern for the well being of your fish...

I do think it is important to keep looking for answers as to why your fish died. Ie, if it was a disease, parasites, and take preventative measures for your other fish.

I'm unsure of the specifics of your water changing practices.. but I was just thinking about you mention your fish being "stunned" by water changes...
I'm curious whether you are using like temperature water to perform water changes? Sometimes a large temperature difference between the old and new water and adversely affect fish...

I do wish you and your fish all the best. I've read over everyone's posts a couple of times and really don't think anyone is trying to say that you "have no right to keep fish". They seem equally concerned about your fish as you are...I hope you will feel better soon...


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Old 11-14-2013, 05:41 AM   #12
 
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I am sorry for your loss. And sorry I misread about the pleco being a loach, I had a hard day and was tired.
No one here could have stopped your fish from dying, he was too far gone.
If water changes are stunning your fish, then there must be a variance in the water you are using to change, and your tank. Either PH, or temperature is my guess.What are you using to dechlorinate? Do you know if your local water does use chlorine, or is it possible they are using chloramines? In a 33 gallon tank, with my knowledge of goldfish, I would only recommend two goldfish, and eventually those two would still need an upgrade.You did not have to say anything personal about your situation.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:28 AM   #13
 
I'm personally concerned with the size these goldies are at their age....
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:46 AM   #14
 
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When neither of these did much, I have put some malachite green in her net, small at first.
Here's a helpful tip for the future - liquids permeate nets.

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Thanks for helping so much and helping me stop my fish from dying.

Oh wait.
It's very difficult to cure a fish once it's in that situation. It can be a genetic issue - a result of their deformity, or it can be environmental - a result of how they were kept. Or, more likely, it's a combination of the two. The fish can be predisposed to problems that environmental factors exacerbate. It is ESPECIALLY difficult to treat fish when you don't have a quarantine/hospital tank.

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Old 11-14-2013, 11:33 AM   #15
 
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I'm so sorry to hear that you lost your little Peachy. . . :( It is always hard to lose a friend. . .

... also sad to read that you felt you weren't getting the help you needed, and especially for your impression that our members would in any way imply that you "have no right to have fish." I did not read their comments in the same light as you seem to have, so wanted to take the time to clarify any misunderstandings that may have come about in this regard.

I know most of the posters on this thread fairly well, and can assure you that their intention was only to help you in the best way they were able. Some of these posters have been keeping goldfish for years upon years - they also "know what they're doing", and they each have gone out of their way time and time again to help so many people bring their animals through tough situations. I am always very grateful for their willingness to spend so much of their time helping complete strangers - and this thread is no exception. Some of these members devote hours of their busy lives to helping those in need, and a few of them have even helped me personally when I've run into tough times. My hat is always off to them for their dedication to our forum, our members, and all of our beautiful fish!

With your years of experience in keeping these animals, I'm sure you understand that questions regarding water quality are always going to be the first and most important questions asked in any situation involving a sick fish. This line of questioning was not meant to insult you, nor was it intended as personal attack. I wish that there were some easy cure-all potion to solve problems like this one, but unfortunately the only way to find the root of any problem is to consider all possibilities - and water quality is the most important thing where fish are concerned. . . perhaps even more so with goldfish, as they carry such a heavy bioload. I can only assume that you are familiar enough with the needs of these animals to understand this.

Just to lend a bit of perspective, I can not tell you how often we are informed that a large goldfish in a cycling 10g tank is "fine," and that the water is "fine". . . you know as well as I that in situations like these,"fine" is rarely the case! It is because we see so many situations like this one, as well as deal with issues in tanks belonging to more advanced members such as yourself, that we feel it is imperative to start from the very beginning when trying to come up with a diagnosis and/or treatment plan - regardless of how long the member has been keeping fish without incident.

The very beginning is always to take a closer look water quality and parameters. . . in my opinion, this is as it should be! Fish are so much a part of the water in which they live that the two can not be separated. . .

Again, I apologize if you took this as a personal affront. It was not intended as such. Furthermore, I have to commend these posters for doing their best to be through and address alll issues that could have potentially had a direct effect on the health of the animal in question. No harm was intended, I assure you.

Just as an aside, I also struggle with making ends meet, but test my tanks religiously. I see from your posts that you feel as if your water quality is exactly where it should be, but my theory on this is better safe than sorry - I test my water religiously, so just wanted to let you know (on the off-chance you hadn't thought of it!), that in most cases your LFS will be happy to test our water for no charge. . .so if you ever should want to check those parameters, it doesn't have to cost you a dime! Just be sure not to take 'fine' for an answer and get actual numbers so you know exactly where you stand. :)

Once again, I am sorry for your loss :(
I sincerely hope that this issue was confined to only one animal,an that things settle back down in your tank. . . *hugs*
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:49 AM   #16
 
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i am sincerely sorry you lost your fish.
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:22 AM   #17
 
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you stated that she eats the snails. well there is a problem with that. trumpet snails have conical shells,if they are ingested they snag and rip the fishes insides. there is no way to remove them.i have read about many fish dying from this. and also there are no miniature or dwarf species of goldfish or koi. and even if there were it would take about 20 years of breeding to get to that result.a true breeder would not want the genetically inferior fish, otherwise we would have had them 500 years ago. what is actually happening is the growth hormones that the fish put off are not being removed from the water in the form of water changes, effectively stunting them. the fact that they are overcrowded and underfed also exacerbate this.i would invest in a good liquid test kit and iron out the bumps. do not add anymore fish to this tank. and start doing regular water changes, either one 80% a week or 2-3 smaller ones per week. dechlorinate the water and make sure it is within 2 degrees of the original tank water. your fish should be fed 2% of their body weight per day. these two points alone keep away most disease. i made a few bad mistakes at my fishes expense when i was first starting out.luckily i had help from experienced keepers, willing to help. i also did a lot of independent study to get where i am today. it would probably serve you and your fish well to accept help from others instead of being reactive toward them.nobody here killed your fish, you did try to blame it on them though.this was very rude. i am not here to judge you on your fish keeping skills.i am here to help as many people as i possibly can,so they do not make the same mistakes that i did. best of luck in your future endeavors-sandy.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:53 AM   #18
 
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I have no doubt that you've read about MTS killing goldfish, but I wonder how many people ACTUALLY opened up their goldfish, and how many of them would be skilled enough with a knife to keep everything in tact in the process to be able to determine that it's insides were torn up. Not many, if any, is my guess.

I agree - they've been selectively breeding goldfish for SO LONG that if there was going to be a mini goldfish, we would have them. Though there is no question that the fancy goldfish are genetically inferior to their original counterparts. The fancy goldfish ARE mini goldfish
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:17 AM   #19
 
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I agree - they've been selectively breeding goldfish for SO LONG that if there was going to be a mini goldfish, we would have them. Though there is no question that the fancy goldfish are genetically inferior to their original counterparts. The fancy goldfish ARE mini goldfish
There are mini goldfish, we bred them down from 18'' to 8" but do expect much more.
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:09 AM   #20
 
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Sadly the OP has not been back since the fish passed and her last post. I hope you will reconsider if you are upset about anything that was said, or missed. None of us are experts, but we do try to give the best advice we can in an endeavor to help all aquarium hobbyists. Those who are here now, or may even become members in the future looking for advice. Any advice we do give, is based on our knowledge of and experience in the hobby. It is never to chastise or belittle anyone. hugs
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