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Old 03-26-2007, 01:45 PM   #31
 
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Shrimp are minimal impact on the bioload for the tank. As for mixing shrimp, shouldn't be an issue. I have 3 species currently in my tank.
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:12 PM   #32
 
finally, has anyone actually done this before? or is it just a theory? im curious because i don't want to buy the shrimp (some seem a bit expensive just to be eaten) just for the fancy goldies to go eat them.

the goldies wont eat them yet because they are about 7-8cm including tail (5-6cm without tail) so they are pretty small so will it have an effect if they grow up together or one day will Anubis (black moor) go down while eating his sinking sticks eat one of the shrimp. they arent fed live food so im guessing they might not see them as food when they get bigger?
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Old 03-26-2007, 04:00 PM   #33
 
Try ghost shrimp first, although there not that good together since ghost shrimp are tropical and goldfish are coldwater, keep the temp between 68-70, higher is bad for goldfish, lower is bad for shrimp. These shrimp go for about 30 cents at petsmart, there about the size of your thumbnail so they will molt and grow, my lfs sells them large, about 1 inch long for 58 cents so id rather go for the 58 cent ones since they are bigger. If they are eaten its only 30 cents loss and that would mean no more shrimp, if they survive and you dont like them, set up a small tank, maybe a pico tank at 3 gallons and leave it to them, then buy similar shrimp like the red cherry.
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Old 03-26-2007, 06:35 PM   #34
 
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higher is bad for goldfish
Most goldfish are quite tolerant enough to high temperatures. The only thing we wish to avoid is increasing their metabolism rate and oxygen depletion which unfortunately most goldfish will not tolerate quite easily. The higher the temperature, the faster the metabolism rate is which quite easily allows the water quality to slump fast enough to damage the goldfish itself and the rest of the fish if the water is not maintained on regular basis.

By the way, I am referring to their survival rate. They can survive but we do not wish those two things to happen when we are keeping goldfish in our tanks.
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:01 PM   #35
 
yup i know that, thats why colder goldfish ponds can hold more than warmer goldfish ponds since the colder the water, the more oxygen which helps the bacteria break down the large waste producing goldfish as well as give the goldfish oxygen to (breath?). I studied all this before.
also note that bacteria multiplies slower in cold water but the bacteria itself works better in colder water, so do a fishless cycle somewhere in the 70's, then when you get the goldfish bring it down to the 60's

If you get your tank to the lower 60's or upper 50's, then you can house more goldfish, or better house the current ones.
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:05 AM   #36
 
i thought fancy goldfish like warmer temps because in the colder ones they are suseptabl to fin rot or something...

so i should get 2-3 ghost shrimp, she how it goes, if they dont eat them i can add the more expensive ones? what is a pico tank? i was thinking of having 3 of 3 different varieties?
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Old 03-27-2007, 02:58 AM   #37
 
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what is a pico tank?
my guess is that its a really small tank, since nano is x10^-9 and a nano tank is used to describe a tank of 10g or someting, and pico is x10^-12
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:03 AM   #38
 
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what is a pico tank?
my guess is that its a really small tank, since nano is x10^-9 and a nano tank is used to describe a tank of 10g or someting, and pico is x10^-12
I think it's:

29+g is a regular tank
5 to 29g is a Nano tank
1 to 5g is a Pico tank
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:53 AM   #39
 
thanks! i new about nanos and regulars but not picos!
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:44 AM   #40
 
blackmoors, lionheads, and red caps dont like 60F water. it is bad for the round bodied ones especially with flowing fins.

http://www.petsmart.com/global/artic...96503937&N=230

http://www.giveusahome.com/allpets/f...dcaporanda.htm

http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fres...adGoldfish.php

http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fres.../BlackMoor.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Moor

it mainly says low 70s and very high 60s (68+) this is around 10F more than what most of you have said. i understand pond or comon goldfish like these colder temps but fancies dont.

thanks! i think im going to get some bumblebee, cherry, ghost and/or red nose ones depending what is is the shop i guess
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