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Old 01-20-2011, 10:03 AM   #21
 
I also think theirs something fishy about two of my rocks. They were the first places the algae broke out and both happen to be dense sand stone. Maybe I should 86 them??
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:40 PM   #22
 
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This thread is actually going off on two very different issues, one of which is serious and the other much less so.

To deal with the latter first, algae is natural in all aquaria. There are ways to control it, and we can discuss those but later. Having algae with the cycling issue may actually help a bit. All rocks will support algae; I don't mind brush algae growing on rocks and wood, its on the plants I try to manage. But later.

To the real problem that could seriously harm if not kill your fish. First, plants need nutrients, and a good liquid fertilizer is the best way to ensure they get what they need. Seachem's Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the Planted Aquarium is in my view about the best; if you can't find this locally, look for Nutrafin's Plant-Gro liquid. Flourish is long-term less expensive because you use so very little. This will get the plants growing which will help with water conditions (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate).

What water conditioner are you using? This is very important even for well water which, while it may not have chlorine or chloramine in it, may well have heavy metals that can also kill fish and bacteria.

If ammonia and nitrite are reading, the best cure is a water change of half the tank, daily until both numbers are zero (or under .25). Use a good conditioner, Prime is excellent in such situations as it is the only one as far as I know that detoxifies nitrate and nitrite as well as ammonia--I asked above which you have, may comment more later.

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Old 01-21-2011, 06:30 AM   #23
 
From the talk I had with my local after work, it sounds like I'm just going through the cycle but there are things I was naive about that I realize I need to do. Algae I guess will always be there you just have to clean it. I didn't realize this. I bought a Fluval vaccum tube and a magnet cleaner. Got home and scrubbed the glass and used a new toothbrush to get the decorations. I Vaccumed quite a bit but left some spots so I wasn't disturbing the bacteria too much. In the process I exchanged about 10% of the water. My Anubias had some bad leaves and black spots which I removed and cleaned the best I could. It hadn't attached itself to anything yet which may have been because I had it pinned between two objects and wasn't getting much flow, so that got changed. After everything settled the fish seemed lively and happy for the most part.
I had my light on for way too long and I changed it to 8 hrs for now. As for the levels, I wrote them down before I started cleaning but in the rush forgot to grab them so I could post them now at work. I do know the ammonia was under .25 ppom, but the Nitrate and Nitrite I may mix up. I know one was 1 ppom, perhaps the nitrite, and the other 20ppom which I'm thinking was the Nitrate.
My local guy suggested the cleaning as well as some snails called nelixes(sp?) and an otto or two just to help keep the algae in check. I think I want to pick up that floating plant soon which will round out my tank and see what they have for fertilizers,(maybe tonight)
Thank you very much for your suggestions. I know there are many people asking for help here and I'm glad you devoted so much time to helping me. I'll get the hang of this one of these days! I'm already thinking about a bigger tank.lol ...and I was never interested in fish before!lol
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:52 PM   #24
 
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Ah, I see you are now hooked in the hobby, just like the rest of us. That first tank we all think will be big enough for what few fish I want, but then...more and more tanks.

A caution on the otos. First, they will only eat common green algae and diatoms (the brown that usually appears in new tanks during the first 2-3 months, then never again). So they will not touch the brush stuff you mention. Second, adding any fish to a tank solely for a purpose like algae means you are increasing the bioload and will be that much closer to a "full" tank of fish. OK if you really like and want the fish on its own merits, but not OK if it is solely there to handle a problem--esp since it probably won;t. Third, otos are shoaling fish that need a group, minimum 3 will work. And fourth, when introduced to "new" tanks they frequently do not last unless there is plenty of the algae they will eat and the thank is fully cycled at the minimum.

Snails do eat algae, just be careful which you get. I like the small ones, Malaysian Livebearer snails are excellent as they burrow through the substrate keeping it clean. I also have pond snails and bladder snails. None of these three will harm plants. And they do a tremendous job of "cleaning up" stuff, not just algae.

On the numbers, I expect you have them correct. Nitrite at 1 is serious, but at 20 you wouldn't have a live fish (or anything else) in the tank. Do a daily partial water change, 50% with a good conditioner, if you continue to have nitrite above .25, it is very toxic long-term as it deprives the blood of oxygen.

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Old 01-27-2011, 09:59 AM   #25
 
after watching the numbers closely for the last few days I noticed everything apex and now the levels are falling back to low. Cycle complete! I added some more plants which have seemed to help and started to feed the fish once a day and not too much. The new light level and duration seems to be helping also. Their color has come back acceptably. :)
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Old 01-27-2011, 10:28 AM   #26
 
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after watching the numbers closely for the last few days I noticed everything apex and now the levels are falling back to low. Cycle complete! I added some more plants which have seemed to help and started to feed the fish once a day and not too much. The new light level and duration seems to be helping also. Their color has come back acceptably. :)
I like hearing good news. B.
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