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post #1 of 16 Old 11-25-2011, 06:19 PM Thread Starter
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Black Moor sick during Ich treatment-help please!!

Hey Fish Fans,

Thanks everyone for reading.

Our poor Black Moor seems really sick! We moved him from the 2.5 gal tank where he's been the only fish since we got him (~ 4 in, 2 1/2 yrs) to a fully cycled new 29 gal. tank around 3 weeks ago. About a week later he got Ich -- stress from being moved? He's being treated with aquarium salt and higher water temperature and the Ich seems to have gone away, Day 6 and no new white specks.

Last night he didn't seem like himself, just lying on tank floor, but we got his attention and he started swimming around like normal. I thought I saw a fluffy cotton wool patch near his cloaca, and maybe faint white (not Ich) on the bases of his caudal fins, but on checking again there was no white stuff. After a search on TFK.com I was still unsure. It was really late, so we did a 17% water change and stopped there instead of risking a mistake.

Now the poor little guy clearly feels terrible, just lying on tank floor and barely even moving when stimulated. We're really, really worried. Just now, we took out the Eheim "new filter" charcoal pad and added Pimafix and Melafix.

Is this right? Anything different that needs to be done? If someone has seen this too, please tell us what you think!

Fully cycled, nonplanted 29 gal tank
Eheim 2213 filter
Two Eheim Jager 50W heaters
Glass Marineland standing thermometer
One very much loved Black Moor Goldfish
Diet: mostly green peas, occasional green bean; 2-3 Aqueon Goldfish sinking granules/day (Hikari Lionhead Gold and Saki Hikari ordered, still in transit)

Water 77-78 deg. F
pH 7.4
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 10 ppm
Aquarium salt 1 teasp./gal.
Pimafix 3 tsp (15 mL) just added
Melafix 3 tsp (15 mL) just added

Thank you again! We hoped a bigger tank and room for a new Fancy Goldfish friend would be good for the little fish. Maybe soon we can say that's true!

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post #2 of 16 Old 11-25-2011, 06:49 PM
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This is a link to a really good goldfish forum I recently joined when I got a goldie read it maybe it will help:
Diagnosing by Symptoms

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Amanda

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55 gallon, 44 gallon, one 20 gallon tank, three 10 gallon tanks, and a 2.5 gallon all with real plants.

I have MTS and there is no cure.

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post #3 of 16 Old 11-25-2011, 08:41 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you very much!


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post #4 of 16 Old 11-25-2011, 08:48 PM
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Your welcome good luck with you fish.

Kindest Regards,
Amanda

Keeping fish its not a hobby it is a passion!

55 gallon, 44 gallon, one 20 gallon tank, three 10 gallon tanks, and a 2.5 gallon all with real plants.

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post #5 of 16 Old 11-26-2011, 12:27 PM Thread Starter
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Update and thanks

Black Moor with Ich/Listless Calico Moor

Blackie the Black Moor is still with us this morning in his 29 gal. tank and maybe a little more perky. His dorsal fin stands up just a little now. He ate OK this morning. There are a few new white dots on his gill covers. Could he have been coming down with another life cycle of Ich? Maybe the salt will win out tho...

And does anyone know about fluffy white cotton fungus -- can the stuff be there, and be gone a little while later? Can it just fall off or something? Maybe I was seeing things.

For everyone who read or responded to the earlier question about Blackie's new friend, the listless Calico Moor in the quarantine tank, he's still with us too -- hooray! We guess that he must have been lonely and misses all the other Goldfish he was with at the lfs, that's why he's so droopy. Maybe his first time alone, you know?

Darn this Ich! We thought we were doing quarantine to protect the Black Moor from illness brought by in the new Calico Moor. Well, looks like it's the other way around.

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post #6 of 16 Old 11-27-2011, 12:25 AM
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I struggled with ich and white fungus a year or so ago. You could have a temp-resistant strand. I ended up treating my ich with a combo of formalin and malachite green. It's toxic stuff; you will need to make sure you wear gloves to handle it, but it works. Understanding and Treating Ich or White Spot <-- This is a great website that details the lifecycle of ich and ways to treat it. Ich was my headache for a while. I wish you the best of luck.

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post #7 of 16 Old 11-27-2011, 10:13 AM Thread Starter
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Dear Koimaiden,

Thank you very much for the link!!

That's the kind of precise, concise summary I haven't been able to locate before. As you probably found too, a bunch of sites mention what it covers, but this page has the detailed, exact info you need when making basically life-and-death decisions for your little friends.

Yesterday evening I did 40% water change and started Super Ick Cure (API) (malachite green and nitrofurazone), the best choice available at the Petsmart I could get to in a hurry. Haven't found so much info on nitrofurazone but nothing there had M.G.+formalin. Also continuing salt, increased aeration, and temp 77-78 degrees. Please, please keep wishing us good outcomes!!

Based on the article, maybe the temp. should come down a couple degrees...? Like you wrote, the heat doesn't seem to be fazing the Ich anyway.

Many thanks, and best wishes,
Steve
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post #8 of 16 Old 11-27-2011, 11:37 AM Thread Starter
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As a follow-up question please --

How long to wait after Super Ick Cure/malachite green before introducing a new (quarantined) healthy fish?

Super Ick Cure says to do two 48-hour cycles then add activated charcoal back to your filter, meaning that the treatment is done after 96 hours, apparently.

Thank you for following along on this tale. It seems like a daytime drama/shaggy dog story or something! The new Calico Moor still is moping around so much and this week is 21 days in his quarantine tank. Since he's feeling so down, could his resistance/immune system go down too? Maybe he'll do better when he can be in with the (hopefully cured!) Black Moor.

Have to avoid another sick Goldfish, whether from leaving him too long or moving him too soon, you know?

Thanks for sharing your expertise!

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post #9 of 16 Old 11-27-2011, 01:37 PM
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If I remember correctly with ich, you're supposed to keep dosing a few days after you last see the little white spots. And the white fuzz that you talk about is probably a secondary infection. You might have to get something else to treat it.

As to the temperature, I would keep it up around 78F. This speeds up the lifecycle of the ich and allows you to kill more ich faster. Down at lower temps, the ich lifecycle can take up to a week.

I'll keep the positive thoughts coming your way.

---Izzy

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post #10 of 16 Old 11-27-2011, 02:52 PM Thread Starter
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Much appreciated!

Anything you would suggest for treatment of the fluffy cotton wool stuff?
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