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Would this combination of cichlids work ok?

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Would this combination of cichlids work ok?
Old 12-16-2006, 10:13 AM   #21
 
I only have 3 "sections" of plants in this tank - one (approximately) 8" triangle in each back corner (one of which she's guarding the eggs in now), and another about 6x4" on the "upstairs condo". I refrained from planting too much in this tank due to all the reports of cichlid damage. I am considering doing a groundcover planting later on, but that won't help us now, and it wouldn't be tall enough to help the cichlids hide - just the fry and possibly snails or shrimp for cleaning. I do have some pots and rock caves though.

So will this "configuration" lend itself to having tank mates and still having mom successfully rear the babies? And more importantly, not kill anyone in the process!!??
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Old 12-16-2006, 10:20 AM   #22
 
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So will this "configuration" lend itself to having tank mates and still having mom successfully rear the babies? And more importantly, not kill anyone in the process!!??
Should be fine.:) I would prefer you put only a small number of fish at the moment along with otos so the female can successfully rear the fry without too much disturbances. At this moment, I wouldn't get a BN. BNs are quite aggressive and your cichlid will have troubles defending her fry by herself.
As you cannot add more hiding places at the moment, best not to get a bristlenose for now.:)
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:44 AM   #23
 
Hmmm, perhaps a slight complication in my plans to get a cleaning crew (needed badly - tank is getting slimey)... mom moved the wigglers to another spot last night (presumably because the first spot was right up against the glass and she got tired of us watching her??). The new spot is only a couple of inches away, but I think not quite so easy for her to keep them contained and guarded. Would it still be ok just to add some otos or siamese algae eaters at this point - or will she go nuts and eat her fry?
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:07 PM   #24
 
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Hmmm, perhaps a slight complication in my plans to get a cleaning crew (needed badly - tank is getting slimey)... mom moved the wigglers to another spot last night (presumably because the first spot was right up against the glass and she got tired of us watching her??). The new spot is only a couple of inches away, but I think not quite so easy for her to keep them contained and guarded. Would it still be ok just to add some otos or siamese algae eaters at this point - or will she go nuts and eat her fry?
To be safe, I wouldn't at the moment. Cichlids do move their fry from one spot to another.
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:27 PM   #25
 
Having bred too many cichlid species to even try to remember I have found that breeding trios(1m 2f) by far and away will increase your chances. You did not say whether you were getting juveniles or mature pairs. It is best(97% success rate) to purchase 10 juveniles to get 1 breeding pair. The percentage is 100% at an even dozen. By having breeding trios you will decrease the wear and tear on your females. Males tend to drive the females hard - some harder than others. They are cichlids for heavens sake and cichlids will be.......cichlids. There are exceptions to every rule however.
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:31 PM   #26
 
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You did not say whether you were getting juveniles or mature pairs.
Does this quote help you?:)
I have a breeding pair of HRP's right now
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:26 AM   #27
 
Blue, you think since they are now free swimming (though super tiny), will she move them some more? They all seem very happy in the upside down clay pot with a cave entrance to it. Did a PWC yesterday as the nitrite levels were off the chart because of the food that mom and dad don't see and ignore if it hits the gravel Thought she was going to move them after we carefully did the water change - but I turned off the lights and covered her corner of the tank for privacy and after about an hour or more, she settled down and decided to stay put.

I just need a clean tank though - and am totally confounded as to how to keep it clean (and the leftover food cleaned up) without upsetting them. Of course, another user had the idea that it might make mom and dad a pair again if they had someone else to direct the protection towards. But you still think I should wait? If so, till the fry are how old?

Herefishy - yes they were a proven pair when I bought them - in fact they laid and fertilized the very night I brought them home! Talk about your instant family!!
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:04 PM   #28
 
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It seems impossible to maintain your tank quite well for rearing the fry if it is not bare-bottom.
Seems the fry have been free-swimming for a few days already. I suggest the 40 gallons be bare-bottom so it would be easy to siphon the food out.
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:13 PM   #29
 
Actually you may think me completely nutzo, but our plan (since plants are as integral as the fish for beauty) - is to do a carpet bottom, a few taller plants that are hardy, and some rock structures - then have some shrimp and snails to help keep the bottom clean. The "carpeted" tank is just so peaceful looking.

Is there really a reason not to do this plan if we have the shrimp and snails to keep it clean? For spawning, I'm thinking about using the bottom saucer for a clay pot - seems many breeders use those with good success... I think with these guys, since they seem to completely ignore plants - it would seemingly be ok. Anyone care to chime in on this topic??

Catching the little buggers will be the worst part - I'm almost thinking siphoning them like a water change... then catching mom and dad will be a bit easier. Which should go into the new tank first - parents or babies? I want to ensure that mom doesn't go crazy and eat them!
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:24 PM   #30
 
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Is there really a reason not to do this plan if we have the shrimp and snails to keep it clean? For spawning, I'm thinking about using the bottom saucer for a clay pot - seems many breeders use those with good success... I think with these guys, since they seem to completely ignore plants - it would seemingly be ok. Anyone care to chime in on this topic??
Nice plan.:) I prefer shrimps rather than an infestation of snails. Some members here may be able to give you shrimps if you like.
You may want to see this thread. Gorgeous shrimps.

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Which should go into the new tank first - parents or babies? I want to ensure that mom doesn't go crazy and eat them!
They should be separated if you want to raise the fry by yourself.:) I'd go with the babies. With that many fry, you'll have trouble catching them when they mature in your tank.:) Try to plan on what you are going to do with the fry once they mature. You could sell or trade them with your friends and lfs.:)
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