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Old 08-04-2010, 09:03 PM   #1
 
Sick Jack Dempsey

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What can anyone recommend for a sick Jack Dempsey? He's lethagaric, only getting off the bottom when he feeds. Has diffiiculty swimming, goes in spirals and is "bent" in the midsection. When first noticed months ago he had a large pooh blockage and looked to have oblong eggs near the anus. Have not seen any pooh blockage or egg like deposits since. He shares the tank with two large Oscars, one of which has habitual eye issues and a large pleco. Its a 75 gallon tank and it gets a 11 gallon partial change every week, water tests well.

My local store doesn't seem to have any recommendations left to give....
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:38 AM   #2
 
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Need help:

What can anyone recommend for a sick Jack Dempsey? He's lethagaric, only getting off the bottom when he feeds. Has diffiiculty swimming, goes in spirals and is "bent" in the midsection. When first noticed months ago he had a large pooh blockage and looked to have oblong eggs near the anus. Have not seen any pooh blockage or egg like deposits since. He shares the tank with two large Oscars, one of which has habitual eye issues and a large pleco. Its a 75 gallon tank and it gets a 11 gallon partial change every week, water tests well.

My local store doesn't seem to have any recommendations left to give....

Could you possibly post exact readings for ammonia,nitrites,and nitrates? What foods are fed? What type of filtration (gallons per hour)?
In the meantime,, I would perform water changes of 20 percent once every three days for a while. I say this because it is doubtful that water tests fine with the particular fish you have in 75 gallon tank with water change schedule you posted. These are serious waste producing fish that are in crowded condition at the moment and the waste they create would make keeping water quality that these fish need quite difficult.
Poor water quality is often directly responsible for poor health of fishes and for the tank and fish you have,, water changes are critical. I would as mentioned perform water changes three times a week of 20 percent , too large of water change at once could further stress the fishes and small frequent changes in this case would be less stressful.
It is near impossible to properly diagnose what may be ailing the fish over the internet or to prescribe proper treatment but by taking steps to improve the enviornment that the fishes are in, you can improve the fishes general health. Healthy fish can fight off many of the health issues that present themselves much like humans can fight off colds and such.
I have kept, or am keeping the fishes you have, and 75 gallons is small for the number and potential adult size and waste that these fish produce. Were it me,, I would be looking to reduce the numbers of fish or,,,place them in much larger tank.
It may be too late for the Dempsey but in present tank,,, it is in my view only a matter of time before all of the fishes begin to suffer.
Do read up on the care of Oscars and the Dempsey. I believe they can be found in the fish profile here,or you may search elsewhere.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:05 PM   #3
 
I only have the paper test strips so I've got no exact measurements for water quality. I have two marineland biowheel 350 filters running in the tank. I feed only chiclid gold pellets, less than 20 per day total for all the fish. I do feed the shrimp pellets roughly every other dsay for the pleco.

I get my water from the fish store since I do not trust the local water supply.

Hopefully this is enough information for a generic recommendation for some medication for this fish.

Thanks!
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:26 AM   #4
 
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I only have the paper test strips so I've got no exact measurements for water quality. I have two marineland biowheel 350 filters running in the tank. I feed only chiclid gold pellets, less than 20 per day total for all the fish. I do feed the shrimp pellets roughly every other dsay for the pleco.

I get my water from the fish store since I do not trust the local water supply.

Hopefully this is enough information for a generic recommendation for some medication for this fish.

Thanks!

If your water is safe for drinking, then it is safe for your fish with exception of straight R/O water or water that passes through domestic water softeners, both of which which remove minerals that fish need and that also help stabilize the pH, in which case,, using a tap or spigot from outside the house such as the tap for garden hose would work or perhaps a neighbors house.
All that is needed for water to make it safe for your fish is a dechlorinator such as PRIME or AMQUEL+ which detoxify chlorine,chloramines,and ammonia.
Does your fish store also use test strips for testing their water? If not then perhaps they could test a sample of water from your tank and provide numbers rather than simply saying ...OK or fine.
Is critical to know what your water paramters are before anyone can reasonably suggest proper medications. Unless the water quality is addressed or concluded to be suitable,,then all of the medications you wish to use will be largely ineffective.
I would begin the water changes I suggested earlier using one of the dechlorinators mentioned and I might consider purchasing a test kit such as the API Freshwater Master Kit which is a much more reliable test kit and can easily tell you exactly what the fishes enviornment is like.
The fish you have, like nearly all fish,, need AMMONIA at ZERO. NITRITES at ZERO,and NitrAtes no higher than 40 ppm with 20 ppm being ideal between weekly water changes.
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