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post #11 of 24 Old 11-23-2006, 03:11 PM Thread Starter
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they are awesome, but they are semi-aggressive. I want to keep a peacful tank!

90gal: 2x Tangerine Discus, 2x Clown Pleco, 2x Catfish.
75gal + 10gal sump: 2x Large Goldfish, 1x Common Pleco, 14x Leopard Danios
55gal: 5x Angelfish, 1x Common Pleco, 8x SIlver Tip Tetras, 16x Neon Tetras, 8x Albino Corys
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post #12 of 24 Old 11-23-2006, 06:02 PM
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they are awesome, but they are semi-aggressive. I want to keep a peacful tank!
Josh, blue rams were also once considered as apistos. But they're now just part of them as dwarf cichlids as they are open water brooders compared to apistos which are secret cave spawners.
Apistos are just as peaceful as the rams. Give Apistogramma borelli or Dicrossus filamentosus a try. Other options would be Apistogramma agassizi and Apistogramma cacatuiodes.

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Thanks blue, I will look into those species!

90gal: 2x Tangerine Discus, 2x Clown Pleco, 2x Catfish.
75gal + 10gal sump: 2x Large Goldfish, 1x Common Pleco, 14x Leopard Danios
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Btw, it is also important to me that they dont eat the plants!

90gal: 2x Tangerine Discus, 2x Clown Pleco, 2x Catfish.
75gal + 10gal sump: 2x Large Goldfish, 1x Common Pleco, 14x Leopard Danios
55gal: 5x Angelfish, 1x Common Pleco, 8x SIlver Tip Tetras, 16x Neon Tetras, 8x Albino Corys
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Btw, it is also important to me that they dont eat the plants!
Of course not. They would never eat plants. Unlike those monster fish like oscars.

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I just read that the borelli's prefer cold water and the temp should not exceed 70f: http://www.aquariumsite.com/fish/borellii_dwarf.php is this true?

I also read that the filamentosus are hermaphroditic: http://cichlidae.com/article.php?id=91

So, keeping these in mind:
Microgeophagus altispinosa - Bolivian Ram
Apistogramma borelli - Borelli's Dwarf Cichlid
Dicrossus filamentosus - Chessboard Cichlid
Apistogramma agassizi - Agassiz'z Dwarf Cichlid
Apistogramma cacatuoides- Cockatoo Cichlid

I think I am leaning toward the ram, borelli, and the cockatoo. Remember I am going to have discus as well. How many of each would you recommend for my 90gal (I want to have ~8 discus eventually)?

90gal: 2x Tangerine Discus, 2x Clown Pleco, 2x Catfish.
75gal + 10gal sump: 2x Large Goldfish, 1x Common Pleco, 14x Leopard Danios
55gal: 5x Angelfish, 1x Common Pleco, 8x SIlver Tip Tetras, 16x Neon Tetras, 8x Albino Corys
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I don't think it's entirely true. My friend who has 3 pairs to breed so I can get some from him later on, keeps them in a tank with a temp of around 28C. I doubt it. We live in the tropics and temperature barely goes below 24, more like 28-30. With that in mind, some of my friends keep them in that temp condition so you should be fine.

On the side note, almost all apistos are situated in areas where temps vary with the highest often at 32(for discus, 36 is often the highest). They may not be in one area but Amazon is barely that cold except during rainy days.:)

As for the checkerboards being hermaphrodites, I cannot answer that. As far as I had gone into other forums about these small cichlids, none may seem to have stated they are hermaphrodites or I could have miss that point. But people often keep them in a tank in pair rather than in odd numbers where all cannot get a partner.

If you can provide a large thicket of plants along with some slates for caves, a pair of each will be fine. May depend. I never had problems keeping a group of rams in my tank even if they are meant to be in pairs. It really depends but a pair of each is safer as long as you have enough hiding places for them.:)

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post #18 of 24 Old 11-24-2006, 01:25 PM
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You should allow 10g per adult discus, so 8 might be pushing it with other fish, stick to 6 or so and you'll be better off
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post #19 of 24 Old 11-27-2006, 03:52 PM Thread Starter
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how many bolivian rams do you think I should get? I was thinking 2 male and 2-3 female....(i want them to breed)

90gal: 2x Tangerine Discus, 2x Clown Pleco, 2x Catfish.
75gal + 10gal sump: 2x Large Goldfish, 1x Common Pleco, 14x Leopard Danios
55gal: 5x Angelfish, 1x Common Pleco, 8x SIlver Tip Tetras, 16x Neon Tetras, 8x Albino Corys
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post #20 of 24 Old 11-27-2006, 04:06 PM Thread Starter
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what do you think about babies from this pair....

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...239897696.html

its kindof a crappy pic....

90gal: 2x Tangerine Discus, 2x Clown Pleco, 2x Catfish.
75gal + 10gal sump: 2x Large Goldfish, 1x Common Pleco, 14x Leopard Danios
55gal: 5x Angelfish, 1x Common Pleco, 8x SIlver Tip Tetras, 16x Neon Tetras, 8x Albino Corys
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