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Old 12-07-2009, 02:55 PM   #11
 
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If your looking at african cichlids check out cichlidforum(dot)com. They have tons of info on africans as well as other stuff. Check the library section. It will give you everything you need to setup all sorts of african or american cichlid tanks.
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:30 PM   #12
 
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I read thru this whole post and no one has addressed Ph...........Knowing your water's Ph will allow us to reccomend a stocking list for your tank......Suggestions at this point is irrevelent until we know what type of water your dealing with.........A liquid master test kit is a must for a beginner in the hobby, this test kit will allow you to test your water thru the cycling process.......It seems the chosen favorite is made by API, i dont know if these are available on your side of the "Big Pond", but i would be confident saying you have something similar in your area for purchase........On a side note, what kind of beer is that in your hand?............Stella Artois?
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:54 PM   #13
 
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I read thru this whole post and no one has addressed Ph...........Knowing your water's Ph will allow us to reccomend a stocking list for your tank......Suggestions at this point is irrevelent until we know what type of water your dealing with.........A liquid master test kit is a must for a beginner in the hobby, this test kit will allow you to test your water thru the cycling process.......It seems the chosen favorite is made by API, i dont know if these are available on your side of the "Big Pond", but i would be confident saying you have something similar in your area for purchase........On a side note, what kind of beer is that in your hand?............Stella Artois?
Ok thats for all the help people. ill see about getting a PH sample and ill let you know.

AND YEAH it is stella, or more commonly known in UK as "Wife Beater" lol (i DONT beat my missis)
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:29 PM   #14
 
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I read thru this whole post and no one has addressed Ph...........Knowing your water's Ph will allow us to reccomend a stocking list for your tank......Suggestions at this point is irrevelent until we know what type of water your dealing with.........A liquid master test kit is a must for a beginner in the hobby, this test kit will allow you to test your water thru the cycling process.......It seems the chosen favorite is made by API, i dont know if these are available on your side of the "Big Pond", but i would be confident saying you have something similar in your area for purchase........On a side note, what kind of beer is that in your hand?............Stella Artois?
unless the fish he is going to be are wild caught the effect of his ph on the fish will be minimal at best, as many have stated on this forum in the past most all fish you buy at a store are bred in captivity which means water anywhere from 7 all the way to 8 and up.

with the fish that have been recommended for the most part all of them will do just fine and confusing a new hobbyist with such things just seems un timed since he is just trying to get things together and seems to have a grasp of the cycle and w/c which is all that is needed to have a aquarium with common fish found in LFS and which were recommended here (for the most part)
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:03 PM   #15
 
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So if he goes to the LFS as they have water at a PH of 7.2 and his water is a PH of 8.4 or 6.6 thier woudnt be issues?..........Even a slow drip acclimation would take a long time to adjust the fish to its new surroundings...........Everyone has suggested fish that are middle of the road on Ph......What if he wanted to purchase some kind of tetras?..........How well would they fair in a high PH?...........Knowing the water will help in selection of fish, the last thing you want a new member of the hobby to do is purchase fish that is not compatible to his parameters and ultimately die because the water just doesnt suit their needs, thus leading to frustration and unwanted money spent,and maybe a lost interest...........I dont know how you can make such a statement, if you have followed his other threads, he is asking for help on everything (i commend you for that), including the cycle...........It amazes me how someone who has only been in the hobby for a short time can all of a sudden trump good solid advice about water parameters............Who is confusing him?.........I'm trying to point out some mistakes new hobbyists have made and learned from, without having him spend money on fish that he may or may not be able to keep.......Telling him most of the fish recommended will work for him without knowing his water, is just wrong, for the new hobbyist, the fish and the forum.......
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:21 PM   #16
 
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You had a bunch rock in your tank too (the light pictures..) so that'll up your ph & hardness some too....having the pictures with sand & rock in mind...what about Yellow's they'd love this set up, see & read up on them here Caeruleus (Labidochromis caeruleus) - Seriously Fish

So check your waters, and if the shoe fits...maybe Cichlids
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Old 12-07-2009, 11:08 PM   #17
 
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So if he goes to the LFS as they have water at a PH of 7.2 and his water is a PH of 8.4 or 6.6 thier woudnt be issues?..........Even a slow drip acclimation would take a long time to adjust the fish to its new surroundings...........Everyone has suggested fish that are middle of the road on Ph......What if he wanted to purchase some kind of tetras?..........How well would they fair in a high PH?...........Knowing the water will help in selection of fish, the last thing you want a new member of the hobby to do is purchase fish that is not compatible to his parameters and ultimately die because the water just doesnt suit their needs, thus leading to frustration and unwanted money spent,and maybe a lost interest...........I dont know how you can make such a statement, if you have followed his other threads, he is asking for help on everything (i commend you for that), including the cycle...........It amazes me how someone who has only been in the hobby for a short time can all of a sudden trump good solid advice about water parameters............Who is confusing him?.........I'm trying to point out some mistakes new hobbyists have made and learned from, without having him spend money on fish that he may or may not be able to keep.......Telling him most of the fish recommended will work for him without knowing his water, is just wrong, for the new hobbyist, the fish and the forum.......
I agree. I am lucky to have around nutral Ph right out of the tap. But some people will have a Ph as high as 8 and as low as 6 believe it or not. So picking a fish that will "like" your type of water makes sense. On the other hand... currently tank bred fish are so adaptable that they will live in pretty much any ph. I have seen serpaes kept in Ph as high as 8 but it can't be all that good for the fish long term. I think it's just better to work with what parameters you hve so if he does get more sensative fish like rams then it will be easy to keep the water params stable which is key!
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:07 AM   #18
 
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So if he goes to the LFS as they have water at a PH of 7.2 and his water is a PH of 8.4 or 6.6 thier woudnt be issues?..........Even a slow drip acclimation would take a long time to adjust the fish to its new surroundings...........Everyone has suggested fish that are middle of the road on Ph......What if he wanted to purchase some kind of tetras?..........How well would they fair in a high PH?...........Knowing the water will help in selection of fish, the last thing you want a new member of the hobby to do is purchase fish that is not compatible to his parameters and ultimately die because the water just doesnt suit their needs, thus leading to frustration and unwanted money spent,and maybe a lost interest...........I dont know how you can make such a statement, if you have followed his other threads, he is asking for help on everything (i commend you for that), including the cycle...........It amazes me how someone who has only been in the hobby for a short time can all of a sudden trump good solid advice about water parameters............Who is confusing him?.........I'm trying to point out some mistakes new hobbyists have made and learned from, without having him spend money on fish that he may or may not be able to keep.......Telling him most of the fish recommended will work for him without knowing his water, is just wrong, for the new hobbyist, the fish and the forum.......
I agree with all of the above by Fishinpole for I know it to be true from my own mistakes and stubborness.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:17 AM   #19
 
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So how do you change the ph levels in the tank?
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:51 AM   #20
 
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I never had real good success with altering the pH for it meant that I needed to store water of the same ph as the tank, and this was due to the fact that my tapwater was different than my adjusted tank water. Once the pH is altered,then weekly water changes must be done using same adjusted,stored,water. If I were to make the water softer,My tapwater was still hard so I could not simply use tapwater for my changes. If I made the water harder,then I was limited to the types of fish that preferred the hard water. I found it much easier to keep fish that did well with the pH from my tapwater without adjusting the water to suit the fish. No need for storing water and or dumping potoins and powders into the tank that often ended up killing fish due to unstable conditions. If your ph from the tap is not below 6.0 or above 8.0 then there are many fish you could keep .
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