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Old 12-26-2006, 08:05 AM   #11
 
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If you go to the Oceanic website, found here:
http://www.oceanicsystems.com/
there is a place to find a retailer nearest to you. You can also call the company to ask them for the retailer nearest you, but many times they will refer you to the website.
If you're still having a problem finding one, let me know... my husband works there, I can get your location via PM and ask him for you.
Thanks, today my goal is to hit a couple of locally owned stores to see if they can source me one. That or I may look into the All-Glass 60 as it wouldn't take much to get it to fit on my current stand. Would really prefer the 80 though need to get some measurements to make sure I can get it into my house as my stand I think is an 1" or so narrower and it is a tight fit.

Thanks for the wonderful advice.

Craig
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Old 12-26-2006, 02:06 PM   #12
 
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Craig, a few things I wanted to point out to you before you begin your search for a tank. For starters, Oceanic doesn't make a 85 gallon hex tank unless you have it custom built, which is quite a bit more expensive.
Secondly, whatever tank you end up with should go on the stand made for it, by the same manufacturer. If you put the tank on a different stand and something happens, like cracking or breaking, leaking, etc... the warranty is void unless it is on the stand made for it by that specific manufacturer. This is something that a lot of people don't know and a lot of stores won't warn customers about. AllGlass and Oceanic are very strict on their warranty policy in this matter.

You mentioned it wouldn't take much to fit on your current stand... and that sounds a bit risky to me. Oceanic and AllGlass tanks differ in sizes just enough so that the stands are NOT interchangable between the 2 companies.
Even 1 inch can make all the difference in the world, and with tanks of that size, if it were to crack, break, leak... it would make quite the mess and then there would be water damage to worry about.

I urge you to really think this through before actually purchasing something, and if need be, you can always call the company to ask questions about the tanks and stands, dimensions, special orders, etc.
I hope this helps, good luck, and let us know if there's more we can do for you.
Have a happy holiday!
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:39 PM   #13
 
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Craig, a few things I wanted to point out to you before you begin your search for a tank. For starters, Oceanic doesn't make a 85 gallon hex tank unless you have it custom built, which is quite a bit more expensive.
Secondly, whatever tank you end up with should go on the stand made for it, by the same manufacturer. If you put the tank on a different stand and something happens, like cracking or breaking, leaking, etc... the warranty is void unless it is on the stand made for it by that specific manufacturer. This is something that a lot of people don't know and a lot of stores won't warn customers about. AllGlass and Oceanic are very strict on their warranty policy in this matter.

You mentioned it wouldn't take much to fit on your current stand... and that sounds a bit risky to me. Oceanic and AllGlass tanks differ in sizes just enough so that the stands are NOT interchangable between the 2 companies.
Even 1 inch can make all the difference in the world, and with tanks of that size, if it were to crack, break, leak... it would make quite the mess and then there would be water damage to worry about.

I urge you to really think this through before actually purchasing something, and if need be, you can always call the company to ask questions about the tanks and stands, dimensions, special orders, etc.
I hope this helps, good luck, and let us know if there's more we can do for you.
Have a happy holiday!
The stand I built is 4" bigger around then the tank itself. This stand is stronger than any that I have ever bought and the only way for the tank to come off is it has to be lifted since it sits recessed about 1.5" in to the stand. Also with the oversized base the tank and stand isn't prone to tip over as the stand weighs a little over 150 lbs.

On another note I switched to a Magnum 350 Deluxe canister filter and am much happier with it compared to the H.O.T. model.

On a second note I looked into the 85 ga Hexagon and it won't fit thru the front door so that one is out of the question. So I priced the 60 Gallon Hexagon from All-Glass and it prices out at $220 for the tank and $118 for the hood and is 18 gallons bigger than what I currently have so that will probably be my choice to work with as I really dislike rectangular tanks.

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Old 12-26-2006, 10:23 PM   #14
 
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I wish you luck with the stand situation. The trick to making the stand work for you will be in where the supports are vs where they're needed for that tank.

As for the 60 hex, they're nice tanks, but once again, eventually, that dempsey will need a much longer tank for room to swim. Please remember that keeping a fish "healthy" includes providing the space it needs to grow properly. In other posts I have told a story about something that happened a few years ago involving a dempsey that someone raised to almost 10 inches in a 10 gallon tank. It was the most beautiful fish I had ever seen, except that the spine was all kinked and the fish couldn't hold itself upright due to the physical deformity from being kept in a cramped situation. The fish eventually died (about a wk or so later) after being put into a 40 breeder tank because it couldn't swim. It was sad to see, sad to watch.

If you don't like the shape of the rectangular tanks, then hex tanks are great... but its important to work with fish that will thrive in a tall tank vs a long tank.

I'm also curious to know where you found an 85 gallon hex and who makes it?
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Old 12-26-2006, 11:02 PM   #15
 
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sorry.....i left out that part about how big his tank was -_-
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Old 12-27-2006, 12:40 AM   #16
 
well I agree with much that has been said in the posted comments; however, here is what i think. Loaches are great with chiclids as long as you have them in schools that is to say at least 3 or more and usually the same kind. alone problems can arise but most are avid swimmers that eventually wont be nocturnal as they are naturally and help to keep the chiclids swimming. That is my only disagreement as I have always had loches with my chiclids and they do great especially with Tang (but you dont have Tangs). More over what is with the hex.... your definatly need a bigger tank; however whay are you stuck on a hex.. they are horrible and a 60 for your fish and wanting more not the greatest choice either. I would go at least 2*60 gals or go for 75 or 90 if you want more and really want to get into the hobby just spend the money now cause it will cost you more in the long run to keep upgrading. your fish are young? so you have 3 to 6 months to save and just go all out! you will be happier in the end and first of all i definatly agree with thinking things out; moreover, research what you are doing (read read read) and do it right. you will be happier in the end.
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Old 12-27-2006, 07:33 AM   #17
 
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I wish you luck with the stand situation. The trick to making the stand work for you will be in where the supports are vs where they're needed for that tank.

As for the 60 hex, they're nice tanks, but once again, eventually, that dempsey will need a much longer tank for room to swim. Please remember that keeping a fish "healthy" includes providing the space it needs to grow properly. In other posts I have told a story about something that happened a few years ago involving a dempsey that someone raised to almost 10 inches in a 10 gallon tank. It was the most beautiful fish I had ever seen, except that the spine was all kinked and the fish couldn't hold itself upright due to the physical deformity from being kept in a cramped situation. The fish eventually died (about a wk or so later) after being put into a 40 breeder tank because it couldn't swim. It was sad to see, sad to watch.

If you don't like the shape of the rectangular tanks, then hex tanks are great... but its important to work with fish that will thrive in a tall tank vs a long tank.

I'm also curious to know where you found an 85 gallon hex and who makes it?
Well the stands I build have bracing every 12" with 2 solid wood rings on top and bottom and everything is covered by 3/4" bcx sanded plywood.

Well looks like I will be moving to a rectangular tank. I've found a suitable step up from the Hexagon and the winner is the All-Glass 110x 110 gallon tank which has the height that both the wife and I love and a depth of 18" and is just long enough to fit in the only place I have for the tank at 48". Still would love a hexagon but with the current changes in the tank I need to switch soon. This tank will be like watching a big screen as we don't have a T.v. and the fish are our entertainment.

As far as the 85 Hexagon I gound information online at Elmers Fish site don't remember the site off the top of my head.

I've got babies my brother inlaw came and help me milk the kids into his tube breeders and 1 net breeder got 15 Soluci fry, 30 Soluci eggs, and 47 Eureaka Peacock eggs. Never realized the second Soluci was pregnant but since her brother has been breeding for 12 yrs he spotted her right off.

Now to find that tank and get to work I figure with everything I have and the stuff I will need to change I will need to spend around $650 for everything. I figure I will need Tank, Stand, Versa-Hoods (Which lights should i get for those as I've never worked with that style hood), Undergravel Filter, 2 more 1140 powerheads, 1 more Magnum 350 deluxe as I have one and is says for 100 gallon tanks and probably a much bigger heater.

Thanks for all the great adive and if someone knows of anyone who can ship me a tank at a great price lmk and the local store that can get all-glass tanks seems to mark up pretty high.

Craig
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