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Old 12-15-2011, 01:18 AM   #11
 
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I am not referring too irresponsible fish keepers who place many large aggressive fish in an undersized tank. I am referring to responsible fish keepers who grow some of the harder to raise fish out and end up with casualties because of high con-specific aggression or even worse bloat. All the fish you mentioned don't have this problem. But there is a reason there are not a whole lot of hatiensis, islatum, festae, grammodes, etc. pairs around. They are hard to raise fish and like I said many experienced keepers I know have suffered with them. Con-specific aggression as well as bloat can deliver a major blow to you juveniles even with proper care. This is well before the fish are large. CA pairs can be extremely unpredictable and deaths do happen even with the most experienced keepers. I have seen it happen many times.

To the OP I would't go for the divider just yet. I would focus on finding more festae to grow out. There are plenty of places online that sell festae. There seems to be a bit of a festae craze happening.
I am not inclined to keep kicking a dead horse.
I have shared my thought's,expieriences, and OP is free to do as they wish.
I agree with you that it is irresponsible fishkeeper's who place many large, extremely aggressive fish in too small of tanks.
If OP Chooses to do as you suggest, and place more of same species in tank barely large enough for two Adult's, then the outcome in my view,is a near certainty.
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Old 12-15-2011, 01:23 AM   #12
 
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I am not referring too irresponsible fish keepers who place many large aggressive fish in an undersized tank. I am referring to responsible fish keepers who grow some of the harder to raise fish out and end up with casualties because of high con-specific aggression or even worse bloat. All the fish you mentioned don't have this problem. But there is a reason there are not a whole lot of hatiensis, islatum, festae, grammodes, etc. pairs around. They are hard to raise fish and like I said many experienced keepers I know have suffered with them. Con-specific aggression as well as bloat can deliver a major blow to you juveniles even with proper care. This is well before the fish are large. CA pairs can be extremely unpredictable and deaths do happen even with the most experienced keepers. I have seen it happen many times.

To the OP I would't go for the divider just yet. I would focus on finding more festae to grow out. There are plenty of places online that sell festae. There seems to be a bit of a festae craze happening.
I would like to make a couple cheap tank dividers with egg crate and some suction cups for now, just to have on hand. But yea, these two fish don't really fight, just the occasional tail slap. I'm still not sure if the barred one is male, I've been told to wait and see and I do notice a lot of black on the dorsal fin when it colors up every now and then. Do you know of any good places to buy festae from online?
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Old 12-15-2011, 04:04 PM   #13
 
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I am not inclined to keep kicking a dead horse.
I have shared my thought's,expieriences, and OP is free to do as they wish.
I agree with you that it is irresponsible fishkeeper's who place many large, extremely aggressive fish in too small of tanks.
If OP Chooses to do as you suggest, and place more of same species in tank barely large enough for two Adult's, then the outcome in my view,is a near certainty.
The OP is not planning to keep all these fish in this tank. He simply has so many to ensure a strong pair bond forms. Placing many small fish and growing them out together is a common practice to ensure a natural bond forms. Target fish like convcits or silver dollar help the process by giving dominant fish something to chase so that they are less inclined to kill their siblings. Once a pair forms the other fish will be removed so that the pair can have the tank to themselves.

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I know CICHLIDSOFTHEAMERICAS.COM has some available and apparently they are wild stock.
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Old 12-16-2011, 02:07 AM   #14
 
I seen that cichlidoftheamericas had some but they're from 1 to 1.5 inches. How small can I go with these 4 inchers?
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