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Old 11-01-2012, 03:26 PM   #11
 
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Picking up the questions from the last three posts.

On the cardinals, these too may get eaten. Linear fish means those shaped like a torpedo or cigar, such as neon, cardinal, glowlight, rummy, etc. Disk-shaped includes the ones I mentioned earlier, Rosy, Roberts, Bleeding Heart, etc. Just avoid the fin nippers. As for the two species, have a read of our profile of both species which goes into the relationship of the 4 "neon" tetra species. These fish, all in the genus Paracheirodon now, have some specific requirements.

On the introduction of the angelfish and rams, they must go in together (for each species). Select your angelfish, and buy them at the same time, and get roughly the same-sized fish. No less than 4, ever, because with just 2 or 3 there is a very high risk than one will become a bully and the others will be harassed too much. Having 4 or better yet 5 spreads this out more.

With rams, you want to buy bonded pairs, always. Both ram species select their own mates, and will not accept any other fish. In the store tank it is usually easy to see bonded pairs. When you do, buy both of those fish, and get both pairs at the same time. I can explain further if asked.

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Old 11-01-2012, 03:33 PM   #12
 
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Picking up the questions from the last three posts.

On the cardinals, these too may get eaten. Linear fish means those shaped like a torpedo or cigar, such as neon, cardinal, glowlight, rummy, etc. Disk-shaped includes the ones I mentioned earlier, Rosy, Roberts, Bleeding Heart, etc. Just avoid the fin nippers. As for the two species, have a read of our profile of both species which goes into the relationship of the 4 "neon" tetra species. These fish, all in the genus Paracheirodon now, have some specific requirements.

On the introduction of the angelfish and rams, they must go in together (for each species). Select your angelfish, and buy them at the same time, and get roughly the same-sized fish. No less than 4, ever, because with just 2 or 3 there is a very high risk than one will become a bully and the others will be harassed too much. Having 4 or better yet 5 spreads this out more.

With rams, you want to buy bonded pairs, always. Both ram species select their own mates, and will not accept any other fish. In the store tank it is usually easy to see bonded pairs. When you do, buy both of those fish, and get both pairs at the same time. I can explain further if asked.

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I understand regarding the tetras, though I think I may try it out anyways. Not sure if this is going against my better judgement, just want to try out the biotope theme, with some more appealing fish.

As for the angels...I need to introduce 5 all at once.

And the Rams, always buy the 2 rams that look to be pairs in the store tank. So I figure I will do this twice, since I am looking at 4 total rams in my aquarium. I have read that Rams will pair and never leave each other. They will never pair with another ram if they already have one. The seem to be very loyal fish...from what I have read.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:21 PM   #13
 
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I understand regarding the tetras, though I think I may try it out anyways. Not sure if this is going against my better judgement, just want to try out the biotope theme, with some more appealing fish.

As for the angels...I need to introduce 5 all at once.

And the Rams, always buy the 2 rams that look to be pairs in the store tank. So I figure I will do this twice, since I am looking at 4 total rams in my aquarium. I have read that Rams will pair and never leave each other. They will never pair with another ram if they already have one. The seem to be very loyal fish...from what I have read.

All correct. But I would try to get both ram pairs together, or at any rate introduce them to the main tank at the same time if one or both are in individual QT or whatever. The reason here is that when both pairs enter a new environment, they will more easily stake out their respective territory and be tolerant of the other. One pair in the tank may well consider the entire tank theirs, and subsequently introduced pairs can be harassed. This is the same principle that applies to the angels, and most cichlids and gourami for that matter.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:49 PM   #14
 
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All correct. But I would try to get both ram pairs together, or at any rate introduce them to the main tank at the same time if one or both are in individual QT or whatever. The reason here is that when both pairs enter a new environment, they will more easily stake out their respective territory and be tolerant of the other. One pair in the tank may well consider the entire tank theirs, and subsequently introduced pairs can be harassed. This is the same principle that applies to the angels, and most cichlids and gourami for that matter.
Ok, sounds great! I think I have everything understood, glad I will not have to fullu cucle my tank, due to all the planta I plan to add in there. Everyone has been a huge help, appreciate the advice and direction. I will post pocs of the whole setup when I am done.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:33 AM   #15
 
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Is it fairly easy to keep a breeding pair Angels? I just dont want to have to worry about the other tankmates when they do breed. This would be the main reason I dont care at the moment. But if a breeding pair is not too demanding, then I will not mind, if I end up with a pair.
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Old 11-03-2012, 03:05 PM   #16
 
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Is it fairly easy to keep a breeding pair Angels? I just dont want to have to worry about the other tankmates when they do breed. This would be the main reason I dont care at the moment. But if a breeding pair is not too demanding, then I will not mind, if I end up with a pair.
It has been many years since I had breeding angelfish, and then they were on their own. They can be very good parents, though often not until they have tried several times--with commercially-raised angels it is interesting that the first few spawnings often get eaten either as eggs or fry [wild angels do not do this, unless stressed]. Other fish in the tank may cause them to eat the eggs/fry, the thinking seems to be that if the spawn is to be lost it might as well be to their advantage as food.

Depending upon the temperament of the individual angels, other fish in the tank may find it annoying. In a 4-foot tank it is usual to see the angels spawning at one end, and the male keeping all other fish in the opposite half of the tank. At night things change, and nocturnal fish such as any catfish have an easy time of devouring eggs/fry.

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Old 11-03-2012, 03:37 PM   #17
 
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It has been many years since I had breeding angelfish, and then they were on their own. They can be very good parents, though often not until they have tried several times--with commercially-raised angels it is interesting that the first few spawnings often get eaten either as eggs or fry [wild angels do not do this, unless stressed]. Other fish in the tank may cause them to eat the eggs/fry, the thinking seems to be that if the spawn is to be lost it might as well be to their advantage as food.

Depending upon the temperament of the individual angels, other fish in the tank may find it annoying. In a 4-foot tank it is usual to see the angels spawning at one end, and the male keeping all other fish in the opposite half of the tank. At night things change, and nocturnal fish such as any catfish have an easy time of devouring eggs/fry.

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Well we will see what I end up with. I think I may just grab a few angels that spark my eye, and take it from there. Appreciate all the advice everybody!
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