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post #11 of 17 Old 01-02-2010, 11:03 AM
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You could mix crushed coral and sand. It will harden your water nd give it a little bit of a sandy feelo. Or fine very fine crushed coral. Limestone is good for hardening water. So is texas holey rock and lava rock I believe.
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post #12 of 17 Old 01-02-2010, 11:10 AM Thread Starter
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But realistically how do I know how much (either rock or crushed coral) I'll need to achieve the needed KH & pH??? I mean its not like I can add the stuff on end, and once I get where I want it look at the rock and say stop hardening NOW if its too much rock/ coral in there and the water turn into liquid concreate, that tehn ain't good neither.....

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Start small then add as needed untill your at the ph you want. Then let sit for a month with out doing any thing and see if it is stable. If you were going with rocks i wouldnt do the crushed corals. or if you were going with crushed coral dont do the rcoks. Im not saying dont add rocks, dont add lime stone ect. Your holyrock and lace rocks, and slate rocks would be ok as they dont harden the water to much.
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post #14 of 17 Old 01-03-2010, 09:50 PM Thread Starter
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I'd def wanna set it up with bunch large sized rocks, kinda like cave style if you know what I mean....that is a must have. for the looks, I think I'd like to see sand over crush anything...but really I need to get the water hard somehow....I read somewhere about calcium tablets for humans to be used to harden water, but I hadn't read up further on this, so I'll have to do this.

I really wanna figure out first how I can get hard water and the set up I want before I get to work on yet another tank.

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post #15 of 17 Old 01-04-2010, 04:29 PM
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cichlid buffers would probably be safer than calcium tablets.

Okay this is what I would do. When you set up the tank choose some sort of Natural buffer but just one. It can be anything from crushed coral substrate, to some sort of rock like limestone. Depending on the filter and how big it is you may even be able to stuff some rock of coral into the filter which will not only bring the Ph up but will help with biological filteration. Next I would find some sort of unatural buffer like you would buy at the pet store. Most will be in a powder form but just in case don't buy it if it's in liquid form. I reccomend a lake tanganyikan/victoria/malawi buffers. They will all bring the Ph to the proper range no matter which one you chose.

After you have set up the tank with the natural buffers, start using the secondary or unatural buffers once a week at the suggested amount. Do this for a month or two while the tank is cycling or before you put fish in the tank. After that amount of time the Ph should be where you like it and you can reduce using it to every month or every other month. Make sure you test the Ph weekly during this process to make sure everything is going smoothly and so you know when to stop. Once the water is stable add fish.

I hope this helps at all I hope everything goes well.
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post #16 of 17 Old 01-05-2010, 08:17 AM Thread Starter
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Well I'd wanna set up a 55g for them, that said I'd get me another Eheim Canister, instead of the bio balls I always use, I could use the crushed coral in that basket!?

For that buffer stuff: How do I then achieve having the exact mixture each time I do a w/c so I don't expose the fish to a weekly ups and downs???

For the set up itself, I'd DEF wanna run the tank until the day its stable in itself and have the parameters desired, THEN add fish, not before that (that'd be a foolish thing to do IMO).

Right now I'm sitting here rattling my brains on the other 55g to be stocked and I can NOT figure out what I want arg...

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Bio balls usually have a much larger surface area. But ad ing some small rubble in addition to that will help.

The way the mixture is designed it dosen't drastically change the PH but it does it over time. So If you add it to your tank while doing a W/C its not going to suddenly raise your Ph from 7.1 to 7.2 but it will do it over a few weeks which is safe for your fish. Although like you said have everything stable before fish.

Sorry your having a hard time desciding. Im currently trying to find something to replace my firemouths. I will probably get a green terror or some Nicaraguan cichlids this weekend. Will have pics to share!
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