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Lake Tanganyikan style tank?
Old 06-27-2012, 06:54 PM   #81
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PS: I also have four yellow labs in my tank. They are unsexed too.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:44 PM   #82
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There is going to be no quick way to cycle the tank but the 10g will be fine for now, put the sponge filter in the main tank for 4 weeks.

There is a chance with it being her first batch, that she may lose them all or they are all unfertilized, it happens a lot with first batches.

Try if you can until the 10g cycles to get a plastic NOT MESH breeder box that hangs on the side of the tank. The fry will be fine in there until the 10g cycles. The reason I say stay away from Mesh is adults have been known to get the fry through the mesh (had it happen to some of mine).

If she has held for about 28 days then any day yes, she could spit them. If you get the breeder box and she is still holding them, then take her out and make her spit. The method for doing this is quite simple but a bit nerve racking at first. Basically very gently you need to open her mouth and with either a finger or a rubber tip pencil (use the rubber end), push from the bottom of her throat towards her mouth. Chances are she will spit a few and then the rest will either follow or you can get them.

I would highly recommend though as soon as she spits, to separate her from the main tank and also the fry. It will give the fry more chance of not being eaten or her taking them back into her mouth and potentially eating them. The fact she has not eaten at all during the holding period, is another reason to separate her, so she can start eating again and gain some strength. By putting her back in the main tank, it leaves her open in a weakened state to aggression which can prove deadly. Separate her for about a week or 2 until she is properly eating again.

Best of luck and hope they little ones make it. Like I say though DO NOT be discouraged if they the first batch dont make it...the fact they have breed means they are happy in the tank and will do it again.

If the Labs are old enough (about 1 1/2"+) I can tell you how to vent them to sex them but this is even more nerve racking than spitting fry
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Old 07-01-2012, 08:18 PM   #83
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ok tazman over the past few days something AMAZING happened. my acei gave birth! so i decided that she would probably "blow" before the tank was cycled, so I just decided to put completely 10 gallons from my big tank into the small one. Unfortunately, this was probably the reason that my catfish died that night. I buried him and just sat on my couch feeling sad, when I noticed a small gray blob moving in the tank! i saw that the mother had spit and there were little babies all over the tank. so i set my catfish worries aside and tried to scoop the fry into the 10 gal. It has been i think 3-4 days. I had never really planned on raising fry (i was just gonna leave them to the other fish), but seeing their little tails struggling against my filter made me want to take care. unfortunately, I didn't really have much info on how to care for them. I found this recipe for fry food, and since it was quick and easy, i tried it out:

3 tablespoons powdered whole egg

2 tablespoons powdered nutritional yeast

1 tablespoon chick-pea flour (or any other kind of legume)

Water (distilled or filtered)
A few drops of fish liver oil

Crushed flake food
Zucchini or Spinach

you just basically blend it all together and feed the liquid to the fry. unfortunately, i couldnt find any powdered egg (no protein?) and my yeast is 3 years dead. regardless, i fed it to the fry and they took it. They are also eating a little flake food, luckily. I also started culturing infusoria the day they hatched, but chances are they won't be ready in time.

Great news, huh? Well, I was wondering: Am I feeding it properly? What should I be feeding for the rest of their fry-hood? Also, how long until they grow out this 10 gal tank?

Thanks so much!!!

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Old 07-02-2012, 07:06 AM   #84
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Edited your post to remove the link to another forum and removed the irrelevant message and your reply

That is great news on the tank. Sorry for your catfsih

Crushed flake food is a good starter and that recipe I have used myself with success. You might also try getting some New Life Spectrum fry food. Iy contains everything needed to help the little guys.

Supplement it with the spinach and zucchini and de-shelled (very important for fry) peas and they will start growing quickly.
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:18 PM   #85
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Okey Dokey! Ill try to get that fry food.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:25 PM   #86
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ok so none of my LFS's have that new life spectrum stuff. so ive tried feeding the fry brine shrimp. i followed the hatching instructions, and for about 3 days ive been feeding almost exclusively on brine shrimp and a little bit of the mush i made. These few days have been full of deaths. Yesterday I noticed one fry just lying upside down at the bottom of the tank. it would sort of swim, like wriggling its fins and sort of turning over, but it was in no good condition. This morning it was dead. I buried him outside and when I came in I noticed that there was another fry that was showing the same characteristics as the fry last night. Now, just before this post, I noticed ANOTHER fry lying down like that. What's going on? So far, I have had only one real death, but I'm almost certain that more are on the way. Help!

PS: I think a plus from feeding them brine shrimp is that they have grown stronger. Now my fry are looking a lot more robust and active. That is, the ones that aren't wriggling for their lives on the tank floor
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:51 PM   #87
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Is the tank cycled? The fry are very weak in their immune system and as such any off water parameters can have a very bad effect.

If the tank is still cycling, you may have to perform daily or even twice daily water changes to keep any ammonia or Nitrite to a minimum.

Am sorry for the deaths
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:08 PM   #88
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yes,that must be it. I filled the tank with 100% water from my other tank, so as to speed up any cycling. Unfortunately, the very same day my mbuna spit. Most of the fry are doing well, though...

Also, I have a question about my labs. They seem to occasionally swim askew, or off to an angle. However, I don't believe this is a swim bladder issue, because they can easily swim to all lengths of the tank, can swim really fast, and can maneuver easily. IDK what this is..
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:13 PM   #89
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The water from the other tank will do NOTHING to help the cycle. The good bacteria are in the substrate and filter media. Virtually ZERO is in the water.

Nothing to worry about the labs as long as they are eating well and not acting too weird. Mine go surfing in the outputs of my maxijet 1200's occasionally, they just sit in the current and get blown back and forth across the tank.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:29 PM   #90
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aw crap. I do have a pretty well cultured sponge filter and a rock in there, along with a few handfuls of sand that got suctioned along. will that be enough? also, why are only some fry suffering from this cycling? also, can I continue feeding them on mainly brine shrimp?
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