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post #61 of 110 Old 04-21-2012, 12:25 AM Thread Starter
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oh and a few more things

how much should i expect to pay for the fish? cuz i might make some beginner's mistakes. It's not entirely the money part, i just don't want to pay like 20 bucks every time to just get the idea of how these cichlids behave.

Also, im planning on moving my bristlenose pleco into the mbuna tank. I also know that they need driftwood, which lowers the pH. Should i put the driftwood in the other tank and lower the pH or is there another alternative?

Finally, where should I get the cichlids? I'm looking for relativly cheap ones. I know they might lower in quality, but I don't have enough money to buy 12 $20 fish. My maximum is maybe $4-5 dollars per fish. Is this too little? cuz alrady for me $60 on just fish is a bit much.

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post #62 of 110 Old 04-21-2012, 08:37 AM
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oh and a few more things

how much should i expect to pay for the fish? cuz i might make some beginner's mistakes. It's not entirely the money part, i just don't want to pay like 20 bucks every time to just get the idea of how these cichlids behave.
$5-8 per fish is about normal for what you are wanting to stock but prices do vary a lot.
Also, im planning on moving my bristlenose pleco into the mbuna tank. I also know that they need driftwood, which lowers the pH. Should i put the driftwood in the other tank and lower the pH or is there another alternative?
It takes a long time for driftwood to start lowering the pH, I have driftwood in all my tanks, the 75g has been running 4 years and I have only noticed a .1 drop in pH from 7.9 to 7.8, which may or may not be the driftwood.
Finally, where should I get the cichlids? I'm looking for relativly cheap ones. I know they might lower in quality, but I don't have enough money to buy 12 $20 fish. My maximum is maybe $4-5 dollars per fish. Is this too little? cuz alrady for me $60 on just fish is a bit much.
One of the best cichlid suppliers in North America (here), his fish are always extremely good quality.

The mix you are wanting are commonly available but a reputable supplier such as the one I posted will be able to offer the correct ratios of male to female whereas a LFS may not.

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post #63 of 110 Old 05-07-2012, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
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All right, but some of them are quite expensive- the cheapest ones were about $6 apiece, but they had nothing labeling them which sex. I also found some juveniles at my LFS, but only the labs. In fact, I can't find the other species anywhere else. I did find zebras though. Are the red zebra and cobalt zebra the same? I like the cobalts' blue and black striped look, but i think this might anger my afras because they have similar coloring. is this true? Also, are egg spots the only way to determine gender?

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post #64 of 110 Old 05-07-2012, 09:04 PM Thread Starter
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Oh anther thing- i experimented with aquascaping with just the rocks i already have. Is this enough for the mbunas? I tried to make as complex a landscape as i could.

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Red Zebra are more mild mannered than the cobalt zebras. They can sometimes get aggressive but will generally be fine.

I do not think the afra will be stressed as afra are more purple compared to the blue cobalts.

Egg spots are not a good way to tell sex at all. The only way to sex them properly is vent them, which takes someone knowing what they are doing as it is stressful to the fish.

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75g Saltwater Reef, Ocellaris Clownfish, Lyretail Antias (baby), Lemon damsel, Longtail Fairy Wrasse, purple dottyback, snails, crabs and a few LPS corals.

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post #66 of 110 Old 05-07-2012, 09:07 PM Thread Starter
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oh my gosh sorry about the enormous pictures, i didn't know

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post #67 of 110 Old 05-07-2012, 09:09 PM Thread Starter
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so how can i tell if the ones at the LFS are male or female?

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post #68 of 110 Old 05-07-2012, 09:18 PM
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The staff will have to vent them.

Venting involves removing the fish from the tank into a net and checking the vent area to see if there are male/female sex organs. It takes patience to do and someone who has done it before.

If the fish are small / juveniles, then it would be beneficial to purchase a few extra and then sex them later on.

10g Fry / Hospital / QT tank (as needed)

75g Saltwater Reef, Ocellaris Clownfish, Lyretail Antias (baby), Lemon damsel, Longtail Fairy Wrasse, purple dottyback, snails, crabs and a few LPS corals.

220g Still sitting empty (come on Lottery I need the numbers to come up!)
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post #69 of 110 Old 05-07-2012, 09:48 PM Thread Starter
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Ok, but i have never vented fish before... ill probably hurt them. i was wondering about buying them online... some of the fish on the website that you showed me don't have the genders labeled. What does this mean?

Also, are the pictures i showed of my tank suitable for a mbuna tank?

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post #70 of 110 Old 05-07-2012, 09:54 PM
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If you contact the websites, I gave you they will be able to offer male/females. They do not show them on the site though.

I do not recall seeing pictures so if you could show me again please.

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75g Saltwater Reef, Ocellaris Clownfish, Lyretail Antias (baby), Lemon damsel, Longtail Fairy Wrasse, purple dottyback, snails, crabs and a few LPS corals.

220g Still sitting empty (come on Lottery I need the numbers to come up!)
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