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post #1 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 11:31 AM Thread Starter
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Kenyi Cichlids chose the same cave?

I have 3 juvenile Pseudotropheus lombardoi. Right now if I am correct I have 2 males and 1 female as 1 is blue, 1 is most certainly yellow, and the other looks to be in the midst of changing from blue to yellow. I was of the understanding that most of the time they will chose different caves or territories, however, they all seem to have chosen the largest cave in the aquarium. They don't fight or seem to hassle each other yet. Are they all in the same due to being juveniles? Part of the problem may be the rather large Syndontis on the other end of the aquarium but him moving around doesn't seem to affect their actions.

20 Gallon Planted Guppy tank. Amazon Sword, Dwarf Hairgrass, Cardinalis.
55 Gallon -1 BN Pleco, 1 High Fin Syndontis, 1 Oto, ~18 Kenyi Cichlids
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post #2 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 01:39 PM
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That sounds like a ticking time bomb. You CANNOT keep 2 male kenyi in the same tank long term unless it's huge and that female will likely perish soon if you do not buy more. Kenyi are probably top 3 most aggressive mbuna out there and are bad to the bone. They are young now but one they reach maturity things will get violent fast. I would get rid of one male and buy more until you get atleast 3 females. Plus that 55 is going to be a squeeze once these fish get big. Even the most experienced aquarist give up on kenyi after a while they are just too aggressive to be kept in normal circumstances. Your otos are likely toast aswell. Also watch that syno they can be nasty too. I remember I had a 55 with a syno and a bristlenose pleco and I thought they were the best of buddies until the syno got bigger and started bullying the pleco around the tank.

My suggestion would be to ditch they kenyi and get something less aggressive like yellow labs, socolofi, hongi, or rusty cichlids. Will be less headache in the long run since you seem to be a beginner.

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post #3 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the advice. The time probably just hit. I fed them and all was well last night. As I posted this I hadn't realized that one of the males was already gone. The one that was fading from blue to yellow was found dead after I got back home this morning. You mention the Syn can get nasty? He just chills in one corner of the tank. I did however find a dead plec. I think I have an O2 problem in the tank and will be placing an air stone in it today. All my levels check out fine and I have seen no aggression from anyone. I will try for more females today.

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55 Gallon -1 BN Pleco, 1 High Fin Syndontis, 1 Oto, ~18 Kenyi Cichlids
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post #4 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 04:58 PM
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It was probaly the synodontis he will eventually outgrow the tank too they get like 10-12". Unless your fish are gasping a lot I doubt it is an o2 problem. Keeping aggressive cichlids isn't easy,. You can't just place them in a tank and hope for the best. It is important is are plenty of territory too. Again your fish are young so they aren't going to be that aggressive yet. I just don't want you to post on here a few months later "My Kenyi killed all my fish" because it happens more than you think.

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post #5 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 06:59 PM Thread Starter
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I completely understand....right now there are the two kenyi's, a plec, an oto, and the syndontis. I researched the high-fin and everything that I can find says approximately 6" sometimes 8". One site says that it rarely will grow above 6" in an aquarium setting. Can you tell me where you found 10"? I definitely don't want to keep something that is going to outgrow my aquarium. I am possibly getting a full 80 gallon setup shortly, just waiting on word.

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55 Gallon -1 BN Pleco, 1 High Fin Syndontis, 1 Oto, ~18 Kenyi Cichlids
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post #6 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 07:15 PM Thread Starter
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I would also like to add that since the demise of the other male I have added two air stones to the tank. After this addition the male and female that are left are showing off rather vivid coloring. The rest of the fish are still doing their own thing. Also, both kenyi's now chill in separate areas most of the time.

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55 Gallon -1 BN Pleco, 1 High Fin Syndontis, 1 Oto, ~18 Kenyi Cichlids
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post #7 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 07:27 PM
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Here are a few links. Sorry I meant 8" not 10". Sorry was probably thinking of another species. The thing is they are very bulky fish though. You shoudln't have a problem if you upgrade to that 80. If you really want to keep the kenyi I would definatly try to add more juvies until you can narrow down the females.

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post #8 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 07:58 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the links. I was looking at other sites as well, but those work too. One says minimum 40g tank and the other says minimum 3ft in length. I have either or covered in the 55g as it is both more than 40g and 4ft long covering the 3ft minimum easily. Everything that I can find says that my tank is perfect size for it. Is it just his bulk that worries you? I can find nothing that says a 55g won't house it just fine full grown. Sorry I am just inquisitive, I really don't mean to come off as being snotty, or a jerk and if I do I apologize. I honestly did research this prior to getting it.

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55 Gallon -1 BN Pleco, 1 High Fin Syndontis, 1 Oto, ~18 Kenyi Cichlids
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post #9 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 09:42 PM
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No problem it is always good to ask questions. As I said full grown ones get quite thick and it might be hard for them to turnaround in a 12" tank especially with lots of rockwork. An 18" width would be better suited for them IMO. A standard 55 is only 12" deep but a 80 will probably be 18" deep which offers more turning room. It will be a while before they get that big though they are not the fastest growers.

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post #10 of 13 Old 07-02-2011, 09:48 PM Thread Starter
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The syn is about 5 inches by my estimation so it might not be as long as you, and I, think. I have been told that one of my coworkers children no longer wants to care for her 2 large fish in the 80g tank and wants to get rid of them(Free). I don't know what the fish are but I have connections at an LFS and can get rid of them with the possibility of getting something in trade. I would of course keep the bigger tank. I want to help the fish more than anything because according to my coworker they are too big for the tank, which also peaks my curiosity as to what they are. Thank you for your concern for the well being of my fish. I will monitor his health and if ever it becomes a concern the measures will be taken to remedy the situation.

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55 Gallon -1 BN Pleco, 1 High Fin Syndontis, 1 Oto, ~18 Kenyi Cichlids
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