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post #11 of 29 Old 11-18-2006, 08:18 PM
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We've always kept the upsidedown cats with the africans in the harder water, never had a problem. Whether they are wild or captive bred will be the determining factor, and most on the open market these days tend to be captive bred.

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post #12 of 29 Old 11-19-2006, 07:14 AM
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upside down catfish....come from the same habitat/environment.
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Whether they are wild or captive bred will be the determining factor
That's a direct contradiction, is it not? jojoyojimbi has it right,
Synodontis nigriventris are from the same continent, but that's as far as their "habitat/environment" are similar to Rift cichlids. Probably they can tolerate the same conditions, but I would hardly say that makes them "are the best cats to put with cichlids." There are far better alternatives.
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post #13 of 29 Old 11-19-2006, 08:32 AM
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Synodontus Multipunctatus are a striking catty for a cichlid tank & have very similar needs water wise as many africans.
Multi's do not grow anywhere near as large or fast as Syn. Eupterus which get HUGE quickly, are fairly aggressive & are dammed near impossible to get food past !
As Blue said, Multi's will steal eggs off african mouth brooders, replace them with their own & gladly let the host hatch her eggs at which time the Multi fry will eat the still unhatched eggs of the host mouth brooder as the catfish have a faster incubation rate. Perfect hosts !
I have a book with accounts & pictures of this being done. This is common practice in some of the rift valley lakes. Hth...
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post #14 of 29 Old 11-19-2006, 02:04 PM
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when i had a prob in my tank and all of my fish started dying i lost

my oscars
chocolate cic
texas
salvinis
a silver d
but not 1 pictus

when my big jag got ich (diff set-up)

my pictus stayed clean

as 4 stress living with a 10inch midas with issues did them no harm

and in all the malawi tanks iv had the pictus have done well, also dont take no sh!t from the mbuna

ppl say pictus are this and that but 4 me they are a hard little fish






as 4 the rock work all i did was place the rock bit by bit making sure it was stable

this is a diff tank of mine from the past

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post #15 of 29 Old 11-19-2006, 02:08 PM
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Watch your stocking levels!! These fish are going to get quite large, and especially with having them mixed, more aggressive as they mature. The more decoration you can get into that tank the better. A healthy African cichlid tank has more decoration than fish.
One idea for a catfish that is cool and won't get overly large is the upsidedown cat: http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_S...griventris.php
stocking levels
just thin out when needed
at this size it would look pritty poor to have 4 - 6 fish

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post #16 of 29 Old 11-19-2006, 02:39 PM
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Synodontis species range in sizes up to 1 foot in length, the upside down cat is one of the smallest. How you select the species should be gauged according to space in the tank, and how large of a tank you will end up in.
I don't promote overstocking a tank and then "thinning them out later" because many times there is nowhere to go with the extra fish. (unless you're planning to upgrade to a large enough tank when needed)
Most LFS's won't take in many fish anymore, they are hard to relocate and can get expensive to care for until a home is found. Africans breed quite easily, so the higher the stock in a tank, the more issues you invite later when the fish mature.
Before stocking too heavily, you may want to contact your LFS to be sure they are willing to take the fish you plan to get rid of. If you don't, you may find you will get stuck with them, and end result, you'll need to purchase a larger tank or deal with the many issues of an overstocked tank, including dead fish.

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I'll go with the upside down catfish then, since they are a member of the syndontis cats (but won't do so until I get a larger tank) :D thanks to all for your advice!

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post #19 of 29 Old 11-19-2006, 10:50 PM
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bolty, thinning out the stock in a tank is only an option if you have somewhere to go with these fish later, after they've grown and most LFS's won't take them due to lack of space and at that size being harder to resell.
This is not something anyone should count on being able to do unless they check with the LFS FIRST, or intend to move up into a bigger tank to hold them all later.
With africans, most of them will average 5 - 9 inches each... (unless they are shell dwellers)

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bolty, thinning out the stock in a tank is only an option if you have somewhere to go with these fish later, after they've grown and most LFS's won't take them due to lack of space and at that size being harder to resell.
This is not something anyone should count on being able to do unless they check with the LFS FIRST, or intend to move up into a bigger tank to hold them all later.
With africans, most of them will average 5 - 9 inches each... (unless they are shell dwellers)
good job i no the ppl in the fish shop then
and there "we will take any fish you buy from us back" bit to

also keeping fish 4 only almost 16years i have a bit of an idea of the size of the fish i keep and how they should be housed

that being said there is also the river in the park over the road (if i wait untill the summer)

9inch mbuna?

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