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post #1 of 14 Old 04-15-2017, 12:04 AM Thread Starter
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Help! German Blue Rams

So I got some new fish today some of which were German Blue Rams. While I was considering what to get the info sheet I found said they would be easy to raise and good for beginners and experts alike. After coming home and acclimating them and releasing them I did some more reading. Now everything I see says they are not good for beginners. Should I take them back to the fish store or ride it out? I don't want to kill them. Any advice appreciated!

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post #2 of 14 Old 04-15-2017, 08:19 AM
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Well, I would agree that they are not a beginners fish, but that doesn't mean you should take them back.

Their care isn't any different than any other fish, with a few exceptions. They like warm water, over 80, and they do not tolerate water quality issues very well. So yeah, that's why they aren't a beginner fish. Doesn't mean a beginner can't enjoy success with them - not all "beginners" are the same. But if you're the type that struggles with water quality issues, then those GBRs have a tough road ahead.

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Well, I would agree that they are not a beginners fish, but that doesn't mean you should take them back.

Their care isn't any different than any other fish, with a few exceptions. They like warm water, over 80, and they do not tolerate water quality issues very well. So yeah, that's why they aren't a beginner fish. Doesn't mean a beginner can't enjoy success with them - not all "beginners" are the same. But if you're the type that struggles with water quality issues, then those GBRs have a tough road ahead.
I'd like to say that I could keep up with it but I'm still waiting on my test kit to come in so I'm flying blind right now. I'm kinda bummed out because I know I should probably take them back until I could properly watch over their environment.

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I'm a firm believer that you can substitute practice for knowledge. We've all seen it - people enjoying success with something despite not understanding how it works. They follow the instructions given and that's that.

Since you don't have a test kit yet, I would just assume that your water quality is poor and take the necessary steps to protect your fish. Large water changes every other day with water conditioner doses for the off days will keep your fish healthy and safe. I mean, if you were testing, that's what you would have to do....so might as well start right now on the regimen and then incorporate the testing in when you can.

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I'm a firm believer that you can substitute practice for knowledge. We've all seen it - people enjoying success with something despite not understanding how it works. They follow the instructions given and that's that.

Since you don't have a test kit yet, I would just assume that your water quality is poor and take the necessary steps to protect your fish. Large water changes every other day with water conditioner doses for the off days will keep your fish healthy and safe. I mean, if you were testing, that's what you would have to do....so might as well start right now on the regimen and then incorporate the testing in when you can.
So put conditioner straight into the tank every other day as well as conditioning the water when I do water changes? Or should I get some beneficial Bacteria to dose the tank with every other day and just condition the water like normal when I do changes.

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Yup you'll be dosing every day. Bottled bacteria requires no water changes so I don't think that's a good choice with the rams. Your best bet is going to be to skip the cycle process completely, and it's insanely easy to do. All you need to do is get some established filter media and stick it in your filter. That's literally all there is to it. Rather than wait for the bacteria to grow naturally, which takes 4-6 weeks, you will have a cycled tank the second that seeded filter media is put in the filter. That's the easy part. The challenge people run into is obtaining the established filter media.

"I don't know anyone with a fish tank" is a very common response. If that's the case, go to Craigslist, where you will find LOTS of local people in the hobby - basically anyone looking to buy or sell aquarium stuff is likely to have what you need. And anyone who knows anything about how their aquarium works will not think it's strange at all that you are contacting them for that reason.

My advice - pick up a box of biomax media and offer to swap it for an equal amount of their biomax (very common biomedia used). That will ensure that you get enough media, as well as eliminate the impression that you're just a mooch

And too, don't be afraid to try that with the local fish store. Ask what they use for biomedia in their system and ask if you can purchase some new stuff to swap with their old stuff.

And if all else fails, you can use gravel from an established tank.

In all 3 cases, you will need to have a mesh media bag in hand.
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Yup you'll be dosing every day. Bottled bacteria requires no water changes so I don't think that's a good choice with the rams. Your best bet is going to be to skip the cycle process completely, and it's insanely easy to do. All you need to do is get some established filter media and stick it in your filter. That's literally all there is to it. Rather than wait for the bacteria to grow naturally, which takes 4-6 weeks, you will have a cycled tank the second that seeded filter media is put in the filter. That's the easy part. The challenge people run into is obtaining the established filter media.

"I don't know anyone with a fish tank" is a very common response. If that's the case, go to Craigslist, where you will find LOTS of local people in the hobby - basically anyone looking to buy or sell aquarium stuff is likely to have what you need. And anyone who knows anything about how their aquarium works will not think it's strange at all that you are contacting them for that reason.

My advice - pick up a box of biomax media and offer to swap it for an equal amount of their biomax (very common biomedia used). That will ensure that you get enough media, as well as eliminate the impression that you're just a mooch

And too, don't be afraid to try that with the local fish store. Ask what they use for biomedia in their system and ask if you can purchase some new stuff to swap with their old stuff.

And if all else fails, you can use gravel from an established tank.

In all 3 cases, you will need to have a mesh media bag in hand.
My tank is cycled. It's been running for four weeks

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Based on the info you've given, I honestly don't know if your tank is cycled or not. Running for 4 weeks may mean your cycle has completed, or is almost completed, or is no where near completed......depending on your timeline of events. I know there's a lot I don't know about what you've done in those 4 weeks, so I am being cautious is all.

In any event, it would still be wise to do what I said about getting the established media. That'll give you more of a buffer.

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Based on the info you've given, I honestly don't know if your tank is cycled or not. Running for 4 weeks may mean your cycle has completed, or is almost completed, or is no where near completed......depending on your timeline of events. I know there's a lot I don't know about what you've done in those 4 weeks, so I am being cautious is all.

In any event, it would still be wise to do what I said about getting the established media. That'll give you more of a buffer.
Okay. I've just been taking the water to my LFS to get it tested and they said it was cycled. I'll probably do the water changes every two days still though. Will adding conditioner directly to the tank be okay for the fish?

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Next time, make sure you get the specific values for the tests. I wish I could say that I've never seen fish store employees tell people their water is good when it wasn't..... not that that's the norm, so you probably are cycled. But it's always good to get the specifics.

If your tank is in fact cycled then there's no reason to do such frequent water changes. Maybe twice a week for the next week or two at which point once a week ought to be plenty.

Yes it's fine to add directly to the tank. Try to add it to where there is current so it gets mixed quickly. There are two ways you can go with that. You can simply dose the entire tanks volume, like the instructions say, or you can dose for the new volume of water added. In my opinion, if you do a large water change of like 75%, then you might as well dose the whole tanks volume. If you change 25%, dose between 1/4 and 1/2 tanks volume. To dose the whole tanks volume for a 10% change is absurd in my opinion. Not harmful, but just unnecessary. Water conditioner company would love for you to do that though

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