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post #1 of 11 Old 06-16-2013, 10:09 PM Thread Starter
Frontosas are fighting help!

My brothers frontosas are fighting and I'm not sure why. He has a 1 year old male and female and a different type of baby frontosa who's about 6 months old. He had other fish in the tank so he removed the female because she's smaller and was getting picked on. He returned the other fish and has since add back the female. Now all three are going at it. It's a 75 gallon tank so any ideas?(this is not my tank and I have no control over this tank just want to stop the fighting)
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post #2 of 11 Old 06-17-2013, 03:11 AM
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I don't know anything about frontosas, but I do know that the dynamics of a tank can change over time, as fish grow and mature.


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I too have no direct experience with this fish (we have a couple members who I think do, if they see this thread) but there are some observations that can be made.

The first is the environment. Being Lake Tanganyikan, they need hard water. They are (unusually here) nocturnal feeders, so dim lighting is needed. They need some rocks (not sharp ones) for security. They live in large groups. Marc Elieson, a cichlid authority, says that in small groups of 4 they can manage but only if there is only one male with three females. Marc says you need 100+ gallons for 6-10 fish.

The afore-mentioned points are important, because fish can be stressed when conditions are not to their liking. And stress almost always eventually causes increased aggression. And here we come to what Jaysee mentioned about things changing. This is why the proper environment, water, tank, other fish, etc is so crucial for fish.

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The store I get my cichlids from are VERY experienced with Cichlids and mostly like to deal with Africans. Their show tank (300g.. which they use to show some of the rules can be bent in the right size and setup) They only have one Male frontosa and not even any females. They can be very sweet and taught to hand feed but they get HUGE. That tank is ok with only one of them assuming there are no more large cichlids in there. Africans tend to dislike their own kind and it's even more so when there are size differences. One or two will end up dead so he probably should pick his fav one and give the others away. Personally I'd keep the 1 yr old male. Like Jaysee said the dynamic can change over time and very often as they grow. When I got mine ...the one who was the sweetest and most peaceful one is now the most aggressive one... but that will change over time I'm sure. If he wants to chance it(I don't recomend that unless he is willing to get at least a tank 2 times larger) then all he can do is turn the lights out, change around the rocks or whatever he is using for territory areas, then and a some more then turn the lights on and hope for a few more months with them ...

Edit: I realize that may have sounded like I claim to have several frontosas. I don't have any I have Africans but my big fish I decided on is a Fuscotaeniatus...similar size. I didn't want you to think I'm successfully keeping several frontosas lol

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post #5 of 11 Old 06-17-2013, 01:56 PM Thread Starter
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He has hard water( we live in California), he has alot of hiding spots, and he plans to upgrade the tank in the future. I have removed the female because I'm sick of my brother killing beautiful fish. It is terrible what he has done to some. When I first started he bought me what is know around here as a green terror and put it in a ten gallon. Now having such a love for my fish I can't stand a fish hobbiest like this. If he's going to buy more fish he must provide them with a good home
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He has hard water( we live in California), he has alot of hiding spots, and he plans to upgrade the tank in the future. I have removed the female because I'm sick of my brother killing beautiful fish. It is terrible what he has done to some. When I first started he bought me what is know around here as a green terror and put it in a ten gallon. Now having such a love for my fish I can't stand a fish hobbiest like this. If he's going to buy more fish he must provide them with a good home
Good maxim. Mention to him the blue paragraph in my signature.

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Good maxim. Mention to him the blue paragraph in my signature.
But add they'd like to be owned by ME!

I've always wanted a Frontosa! I'll be running around up and down Cali next month visiting friends and my mother . ..So here is the plan. You already took the female so she's good. You take the 6mnth old out when he isn't paying attention and tell him you saw the big boy eat him then hide him in a temp tank till I'm on the west coast. I'll convince my mom she wants a huge cichlid tank for my kids to see everytime we visit and then you sneak the baby off to me. I'd trust them to care for the tank during my east coast time lol. I'm only half kidding. That would be awesome if I could pull that off. I already plan to visit Pet kingdom in San Diego... I could stock a pretty 125 or so for them(me!).
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But add they'd like to be owned by ME!

I've always wanted a Frontosa! I'll be running around up and down Cali next month visiting friends and my mother . ..So here is the plan. You already took the female so she's good. You take the 6mnth old out when he isn't paying attention and tell him you saw the big boy eat him then hide him in a temp tank till I'm on the west coast. I'll convince my mom she wants a huge cichlid tank for my kids to see everytime we visit and then you sneak the baby off to me. I'd trust them to care for the tank during my east coast time lol. I'm only half kidding. That would be awesome if I could pull that off. I already plan to visit Pet kingdom in San Diego... I could stock a pretty 125 or so for them(me!).
His fish are worth a ton. There F1 MP frontosa meaning there parents were wild caught, also they have amazing blue color. He is monitoring them and I think if he gets a bigger that he will be fine.
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post #9 of 11 Old 06-17-2013, 06:39 PM
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OMG !! Thats the baby right? I would love to have him. The wild Frontosas are very hard to come by. As a Moba F1 (thats what he is right?)Frontosa he must be amazing to watch (when not stressed...because truth is they aren't aggressive in nature nearly as much as a lot of the others...just sociable and fun). All the more reason he needs a much bigger tank or sell him to proper owners. Completely baffled at this now even more so.

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OMG !! Thats the baby right? I would love to have him. The wild Frontosas are very hard to come by. As an Moba F1 (thats what he is right?)Frontosa he must be amazing to watch (when not stressed...because truth is they aren't aggressive in nature nearly as much as a lot of the others...just sociable and fun). All the more reason he needs a much bigger tank or sell him to proper owners. Completely baffled at this now even more so.

That's actually the male about 5 months ago. He's about 7inches now and his "bump" is huge now. Yes, all your facts are correct he is an amazing fish to watch. I know my brother will do the right thing and get a bigger tank. He actually wants to breed the pair when there older so a bigger tank would do him wonders. I'm seven years younger then him so I don't have to much control on a 23 year old.
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