i dont see the Vieja in their though
, i dunno, i just know the original was not made with only a trimac and midas, their were others involved as well, like i said, when they started to actually classify them as a flowerhorn, their was more cichlids involved, im sure they started with a trimac and midas, but at that time they were not known as a flowerhorn, just a hybrid
of course someone knows, someone made them
but this was a long time ago, and from what i know the breeder that made them never did release the info, so therefore as far as i know no one today, knows exactly what makes flowerhorns, even the originals.
my favorite are still Kamalaus... soooo pearrrrrrllyyyyyyyy :P