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Old 08-08-2011, 08:56 AM   #11
 
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I agree with rrcoolj, you may have lost a good amount of your benificial bacteria that is in the gravel. What other fish do you have in this tank?
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:14 AM   #12
 
I have a few black phantom tetras, a pleco, gouramis and angelfish, I read that it's not a great idea to keep kribensis with gouramis and angelfish, but there are lots of hiding places and there have been no problems with the other fish, in fact my male kribensis is living with my pleco, they seem to get on well.
And for the gravel, what do you mean by siphoning? (sorry, living in france your whole life makes you lose masses of vocab)

I think I may have messed up big time here, it's disappointing and embarrassing I've had those fish for ages, they seem happy and I don't want them to all go in one go just because I did one big far mistake Do you think they will be alright?
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:33 AM   #13
 
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Having a test kit would really help so we can see what is going on with your water. You might experience an ammonia spike which wouldn't necessarily kill your fish but it might. A pair of kribs in a 20 is a little too much IMO. There just is not enough room for the pair and the other fish to live. You said you had an angelfish. I would just get a pair of those over the kribs although 27 is cutting it close for a pair of angels especially with tankmates. I would forget about pairs there just isin't enough room in your tank. If you really want a pair of cichlids(which IMO the best part about keeping cichlids is watching the unique ways they guard their fry) I would opt for a pair of bolivian ram cichlids. They are fairly hardly and a pair would do well in that tank with the tetras. What kind of pleco and what kind of gourami do you have? Also what kind of filters are you running?

As for siphoning it is basically using a clear hose to siphon debri out of gravel or sand. What kind of substrate do you have? The picture below illustrates what I am talking about.


Don't worry fish keeping is a process and often times even reading the books and articles don't comprimise experience. You will get the hang of it all in time. Asking questions is the first part of learning and we are happy to help .
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:44 AM   #14
 
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I have a few black phantom tetras, a pleco, gouramis and angelfish, I read that it's not a great idea to keep kribensis with gouramis and angelfish, but there are lots of hiding places and there have been no problems with the other fish, in fact my male kribensis is living with my pleco, they seem to get on well.
And for the gravel, what do you mean by siphoning? (sorry, living in france your whole life makes you lose masses of vocab)

I think I may have messed up big time here, it's disappointing and embarrassing I've had those fish for ages, they seem happy and I don't want them to all go in one go just because I did one big far mistake Do you think they will be alright?

We have all made our fair share of mistakes, and I am sure I will make more in the future. The goal is try to learn what we can to take the best care of our fish and provide them with the best enviroment possible. We learn from our mistakes and hopefully can share some of our experiences with others to be able to help them also. This is where a test kit would be helpful, since it would allow you to be able to keep an eye on your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels, and would be able to help you determine if the tank is going through another cycling process or mini cycling process. If unable to get one, check and see if the local fish stores will check your water, the ones in the States will check your water for free. If they do have them give you the exact numbers, not just it is fine or not. Also watch your fish, if they start acting different from normal, are gasping at the surface, breathing faster, gills are red, this can be a sign that ammonia or nitrites are high. If so do a water change of about 30%. If you watch your fish they will tell you a lot.

As for siphoning, what is being talked about is using a gravel vacuum to clean the waste from the gravel. Looks like this



Also another thing which has not been asked is if you have live plants in this tank. If you do, then the plants will help to keep things more stable. Don't worry and don't beat yourself up over this. Depending on the type of filter you have there might be quite a bit of bacteria on the filter, and also on the glass. As I mentioned watch your fish there behaviour will tell you want they need.
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Old 08-08-2011, 11:50 AM   #15
 
se if you can get a hold of a local breeder and buy a confirmed pair
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Old 08-08-2011, 11:54 AM   #16
 
also I think that kribs would be okay but it is arguable
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:44 PM   #17
 
I would love to get some Bolivian ram. But (to also answer to BarbH) won't they destroy my cabomba plants? I have other plants but they are pretty hardy (Anubias barteri, and another small one which spreads with leaves a bit like anubias, not sure of it's name ). But I've looked at the description of the bolivian rams, and they match perfectly my PH and temperature status But then, water stabilizing first, afterwards I'll see if I've got enough money left for the bolivians
Yes I have a gravel siphoner, I was going to use it a few days ago but I've got a small problem with my secondary air thing (or whatever its called, well I've just got a technical problem to sort out). So I'll be using that, thanks for the tips I will try and get a confirmed pair of anything but then there is still the problem of the size of my tank.
Oh to awnser to another question they are three spotted Gouramis (even though they only have 2 spots on each side ) and just normal big triangular shaped angelfish (not sure of it's type ) My pleco is Pterygoplichthys pardalis.
Some say kribs some say no kribs, the problem with a confirmed pair is that I'll then have 3 kribs, and I suppose that would be way too much for the tank.
Would a pair of Bolivian rams overpopulate my tank? I'm just looking for a nice colorful, easy to breed, and not eaten by giants fish But then, the initial reason I got my Angel fish was so that I could control my molly population, from 30 to 1 lonely male molly in 4 years. The male is now so lonely that he's raping all the other fish, trying to look for a hole in my gouramis
My local fish shop is a little limited on the range of fish they have..
BTW, Is water from the well a good water change?

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Old 08-08-2011, 12:59 PM   #18
 
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I would love to get some Bolivian ram. But (to also answer to BarbH) won't they destroy my cabomba plants? I have other plants but they are pretty hardy (Anubias barteri, and another small one which spreads with leaves a bit like anubias, not sure of it's name ). But I've looked at the description of the bolivian rams, and they match perfectly my PH and temperature status But then, water stabilizing first, afterwards I'll see if I've got enough money left for the bolivians
Yes I have a gravel siphoner, I was going to use it a few days ago but I've got a small problem with my secondary air thing (or whatever its called, well I've just got a technical problem to sort out). So I'll be using that, thanks for the tips I will try and get a confirmed pair of anything but then there is still the problem of the size of my tank.
Oh to awnser to another question they are three spotted Gouramis (even though they only have 2 spots on each side ) and just normal big triangular shaped angelfish (not sure of it's type ) My pleco is Pterygoplichthys pardalis.
Some say kribs some say no kribs, the problem with a confirmed pair is that I'll then have 3 kribs, and I suppose that would be way too much for the tank.
Would a pair of Bolivian rams overpopulate my tank? I'm just looking for a nice colorful, easy to breed, and not eaten by giants fish But then, the initial reason I got my Angel fish was so that I could control my molly population, from 30 to 1 lonely male molly in 4 years. The male is now so lonely that he's raping all the other fish, trying to look for a hole in my gouramis
My local fish shop is a little limited on the range of fish they have..
BTW, Is water from the well a good water change?

My bolivian rams have been fine with all the plants that I have in my tank, I don't have any experience with cambomba, but with the experience I have had with my other plants I would think it would be okay. I don't know about the ram with the krib, someone else hopefully will be able to answer that question. On the rams I know that in my area males tend to be available more often than females. As with the kribs I would try to see if you could get a confirmed pair of rams. Well water is fine for water changes, there are many people here that use well water in their tanks. The only thing I might be concerned about is if a water softner is used for your water, again something that someone with more personal experience would be able to answer that better. Also with the plants in your tank if your tank was placed into a mini cycle after rinsing the gravel you should be okay, as long as there are enough plants they should be able to keep up with the ammonia produced.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:23 PM   #19
 
well there arn't a large amount of plants. I use well water about 98% and 2% top up of tap water (I know, bad idea) but there was hardly any, so it's fine.
So a confirmed pair of rams should be good? I wonder what they are called in french?
My substrate is white and black quartz.

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Old 08-08-2011, 03:52 PM   #20
 
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Using tap water is fine but depending on where you live you might need a water conditioner to take contaminates out of the water like chlorine. I use prime for my tank. It is a really good brand of water conditioner. It might be cheaper and more practical to just buy 6 small rams and wait for them to pair. Finding a pair of cichlids for sale depending on where you live can be hard. The angelfish will probably make short work of the ram babies but they should be able to co-exist. Or you could buy more kribs and hope for a pair instead. I would get like 3-5 more if you go that route. The kribs get larger and are a bit more aggressive than rams so that's why I am thinking there might be problems. Also ditch the pleco. What you have is what we call common plecos in the U.S. They are sold everywhere and are terrible for your average fish keeper because not only do they get huge and need a lot of room but they emit a heavy bioload and adults will wreak havoc on a planted tank. They are well known herbivores and won't just eat algea. They get to be about 18" or 45cm.
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