I'm getting ready to treat one of my Discus in my QT tank due to a an eye injury. (ghastly injury, to be sure :-() My QT tank has about two dozen MTS in it for the purpose of keeping it cycled. I'll be using Furan-2 for treatment. My question is do I pull out all the MTS due to the use of the Furan-2 I'll be using? I have no idea if this particular medicine has a negative effect on snails.
To say I'm bummed about my Discus is an understatement. I woke up at 4:30am, tossing and turning, thinking about it. Crazy how one person (me) can get so attached to a fish!
Anybody? I couldn't delay treatment any longer so my Red Turquoise is now in the QT, with the colony of MTS, being treated. If all my MTS die because of the medication I will blame all you seven people (you know who you are) who viewed this thread but didn't respond!!
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Sorry to hear about your fish Kymmie. I definitely know how one becomes attached. I hope this story will have a happy ending. I don't have any clue about the snails, I am new to snails myself and having an issue with mine. Keep us updated on your fish's progress... and the snails.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed but it doesn't look good. (see pic below) The really sad thing is that this is the male of one of my mated pairs. Since I fished him out the display and put him into QT he's been sulking and I think the female is too. I think somewhere I read that they mate for life. I really hope he pulls through. Eye injurys are nasty. And an upbeat note, the snails don't seem to be bothered by the medication, so at least that's one good thing.
I wouldn't use antibiotics with other snails but your MTS may be able to withstand this. They can withstand harsh conditions and even chemicals better than anything else.
I wouldn't use antibiotics with other snails but your MTS may be able to withstand this. They can withstand harsh conditions and even chemicals better than anything else.
+one, If it is massive snail die off and subsequent water quality issues,, I would not stress. I have yet to see anything other than significant dose of copper that can do much harm to these particular snails.
Lord knows over the years, I have used more than a few toxic concoctions in my tanks in efforts to cure sick fishes but the trumpet snails always survived. Wish I could say the same for the fishes.
Eddy will not steer you wrong. (you know who I mean?);-)
Your poor Discus. I would have thought that Pimafix & Melafix together from API would have been good to treat the eye as it has aloe vera and tea tree oil. As long as he is eating that's a good sign. Keep us posted on his recovery.
Not to change the subject. I had a baby hamster that got injured in the eye by one of the other baby hamsters and I knew the eye was gone as it turned white. I did not want to take it to the vet and get charged $$$ for the injury. I looked on-line and found someone had the same thing happen and put hydrogen peroxide with a q-tip to dry it up. I did this and used the fish amoxicillin mixed with water and fed with a syringe dropper to the hamster daily. The eye dried up and I had to cut it out as it was hanging. I know this is gross but I had to do it. He was good as new minus the eye. I had to keep this baby as my daughter did not think that someone would want to get a hamster with 1 eye. I was able to get the other babies new home. This hamster lived over 2 years which is their life span. I googled for help on-line and it saved my poor hamster. If I could not find help on-line I would have taken it to the vet.
Your poor Discus. I would have thought that Pimafix & Melafix together from API would have been good to treat the eye as it has aloe vera and tea tree oil. As long as he is eating that's a good sign. Keep us posted on his recovery.
Well, he's not taking any food yet, he has no interest. I hope tonight he will change his mind about that. Both Pimafix and Melafix are not recommended for Discus, nor are those meds useful in treating bacterial infections in Discus, according to the Discus keepers I have been chatting with. The treatment protocol I'm using comes from a very knowledgeable and experienced Discus keeper/breeder who has many years experience. No way was I going to mess around "guessing" on this one.
Good for you on saving the hamster! Not many people would have the "guts" to cut off a "hanging" eye. Sheesh, I hope that's not what I have to end up doing.
A little improvement, only because he is still remaining unclamped. The eye looks a little worse. Today is a pwc with another dose of meds. He still won't eat. :-(
Oh my, Kym. I just saw this thread. Poor baby. He is your male to your female from the first mated pair, correct? I hope he pulls through. Sometimes things get worse before they get better. I hope this is the case for your Red Turk, too. Good luck with him, my friend.
Oh my, Kym. I just saw this thread. Poor baby. He is your male to your female from the first mated pair, correct? I hope he pulls through. Sometimes things get worse before they get better. I hope this is the case for your Red Turk, too. Good luck with him, my friend.
Thanks, Lisa. Yes, the Discus with the infected eye is the male of my first mated pair.
It's really bumming me out, but, as you already know, waking up to wrigglers(!) from my other mated pair was exciting as all get out! I just checked on the pair (female Red Turk- male Blue Diamond) and they have successfully made breakfast of all the wrigglers. Ate every single one, lol.
I'm sure it'll only be one more week to ten days before they try again. I didn't think that eggs would be able to hatch in San Diego tap water but now I know that they can. I think the reason the other pair (female Orange Pigeon-male Red Turk) never had any eggs that hatched is because the male Red Turk is probably shooting blanks. He's alot younger than the male Blue Diamond.
Off to go do the w/c on the QT tank and re-dose with meds. My poor :fish:
Still too early to tell. The QT lights stay off 24/7 as it renders the medicine less effective, not to mention makes him more comfortable. Light breaks down the properties of Furan. Once the ambient light hits the room where the tank is I'll be able to look in on him. I hope I see some sort of improvement, no matter how small. I'm really hoping to get him to take some food today. I've got some nice yummy live blackworms for him, I hope he takes the bait.
Maybe try feeding him directly with a pipette so he doesn't have to chase or do much movement. I hope the poor fella takes the bait too. Thinking about you on the left coast and keeping high hopes for your boy !
Maybe try feeding him directly with a pipette so he doesn't have to chase or do much movement. I hope the poor fella takes the bait too. Thinking about you on the left coast and keeping high hopes for your boy !
I always use a plastic pipette for feeding anyway. ;-)
Using a pipette ensures that each of my Discus gets their fair share. Some are more shy than others, and some of them are just downright pigs, shoving everyone else out of the way for food. :lol:
Yep, each one is fed individually every day, I normally feed them three times a day. They are not fond of flakes but I do have a Blue Diamond that is an absolute pig. He and a couple of my other Discus will pick off some of the flakes that I feed the school of Cardinals that are in the Discus tank. I've tried to wean my Discus off of live blackworms but no such luck. I refuse to "starve" them until they will take other food. In the meantime I'm able to soak the live worms in a liquid vitamin supplement to ensure they are getting what they need. It's nice having them being unable to resist live foods because when I need to medicate them for various reasons you just soak the worms in the meds and they eat it right up.
I just tried offering my Red Turk food and he had zero interest in eating anything. :-(
Wow, that eye looks sore. I'm in the same boat as you Kym. Yesterday my Polleni injured his eye and it looks just like your Discus's. He was fine when I fed them last night. I looked in on them not one hour later and his eye was damaged. I'm betting the Punk had something to do with it. The clear outer layer that covers the eye was "popped" and had peeled back. I just started him today on Furan 2.
Wow, that eye looks sore. I'm in the same boat as you Kym. Yesterday my Polleni injured his eye and it looks just like your Discus's. He was fine when I fed them last night. I looked in on them not one hour later and his eye was damaged. I'm betting the Punk had something to do with it. The clear outer layer that covers the eye was "popped" and had peeled back. I just started him today on Furan 2.
That sounds like the exact same eye injury, from what you descibe! You should have better luck (and save the Polleni's eye) since you started treatment so much sooner than I did. I was waiting and hoping that daily water changes were going to help clear it up on its own. In retrospect I should have pulled him pronto and treated, instead of waiting. Live and learn. Good luck with yours, keep up posted with updates.
These poor fish sure know how to get themselves in trouble! Best of luck to both of you.
Kym, How were his fins today? Clamped or open? Maybe try offering him food later today now that he's approaching you more like normal when you enter the room. P.S. LOVE the new avatar!! She's a real beauty!
These poor fish sure know how to get themselves in trouble! Best of luck to both of you.
Kym, How were his fins today? Clamped or open? Maybe try offering him food later today now that he's approaching you more like normal when you enter the room. P.S. LOVE the new avatar!! She's a real beauty!
He's not clamped but not interested in food at all. :-(
Yes, I also think my Snow Flake is a beauty but she better not have any intention of mating up with any of the available males. Three mated pairs would make my life hellacious!
The eye as it looks this morning. He still has no interest in food whatsoever. :-(
I think I see a tad improvement. (More wishful thinking on my part??)
Just keep up with the medication. That medication you're using came from reliable sources. I was going to suggest maybe moving him closer to the 100g so ge can see his female, but that might stress him more and won't work because of the lighting and meds. Keep your chin up. He's still here with us, so that's a good sign.
Just keep up with the medication. That medication you're using came from reliable sources. I was going to suggest maybe moving him closer to the 100g so ge can see his female, but that might stress him more and won't work because of the lighting and meds. Keep your chin up. He's still here with us, so that's a good sign.
His female isn't doing well. She looks "mopey" and has taken to staying in the corner, slightly tilted to one side. Her fins aren't clamped, I just think she's depressed but she still has an excellent appetite. She just misses her "dude".
Trying to stay positive. I truly think I see less "fuzz" on the eye so hopefully the antibiotics are doing their job. My poor guy...:-(
How long are you supposed to treat for? Less fuzz is a good thing, so maybe he's slowly healing. I feel bad for your female, but hopefully they'll be reunited before you know it.
Good question. I'll have to call Ron back. I know he did tell me he'll have to be in isolation for quite awhile but I forgot to ask how long I'm medicating him for.
Kym, I see improvement also. Those white "bumps" are gone and there's less of a cloudy film.
Let me know what your source says on the length of antibiotic treatment. I know you want to make sure to do a full course. I think it's at least 10 days for humans. With injuries in fish it might be until it's healed. Keep us posted.
I continue the meds until the eye looks nearly like it did right after injury. The eye is never going to look normal. Tonight I pulled the fish, gently rubbed the eye with a damp paper towel, dabbed a small amount of neosporin, did a 90% w/c, and added another dose of Furan. Of course, this precedure was recommend by someone I know and trust very well and has been keeping Discus for twenty years. The fish didn't object to much to this treatment, believe it or not. If someone did that to me I'd go nuts!
Wow. Good for you for doing that for him. I suppose the neosporin is supposed to help with infection? How often do you do the neosporin treatment? Is Furan 2 also an antibiotic? How's he doing today? Sorry for so many questions. I like in learn as much as possible so I know what to do in emergencies as well And of course I'm worried about your little guy, too.
Furan-2 is an antibiotic, as is the Neo. I think he had me use the Neo to coat the eye, as it is slighly water-proof, for a short while anyway. The eye is no longer fuzzy but it has swelled to the point where it is protruding from the head by 1/4". I'm sure that's because it's filled with fluid. I've have half a notion to lance the eye so it can drain. Of course, I will call my guy and see if he thinks that's an option. If this fish had cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars I'd be looking for a fish vet. I may call around to find one anyway. I wonder what a doctor's visit costs for a fish? I've only done the Neo once, I may pull him this morning, rub with a damp paper towel and apply a bit more Neo. :-?
Maybe once it's healed the fluid will go down. Obviously I'm not expert, but I would think puncturing the eye could cause another infection. Hopefully this is just the next step in the healing process. How is he acting? any better? Has he taken any food all weekend?
Maybe once it's healed the fluid will go down. Obviously I'm not expert, but I would think puncturing the eye could cause another infection. Hopefully this is just the next step in the healing process. How is he acting? any better? Has he taken any food all weekend?
LOL, after I read what I wrote I thought what a moron I sounded like! I suppose because the eye now looks like a big blister lancing came to mind. The fastest way to heal a blister is to carefully drain it from the edge. But this is an eye, not a blister. What an idiot!!
Anyway, he is behaving normally other than he will still not eat one stinking thing. I'm starting to get very discouraged...:-(
Wow I'm so sorry! I sure hope he is doing better! Just take it one day at a time....
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