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This is a discussion on Convict babys/fry within the Cichlids forums, part of the Freshwater and Tropical Fish category; --> The first tank at 83 liters if converted to gallons is only about 21 gallons. Your tank is overstocked unfortunately. Fish and reasonings: 1. ...

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Old 12-21-2006, 06:25 PM   #11
 
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The first tank at 83 liters if converted to gallons is only about 21 gallons. Your tank is overstocked unfortunately.

Fish and reasonings:
1. Silver dollars can reach 6 inches and will need more swimming space as they swim in shoals.

2. Four goldfish are also pushing the limits as they are big waste producers. You'll need a 75 gallons to keep all four of them. Most reach to more than 6 inches although fancy goldfish may stick to 6 inches as max size.

3. Algae Eater-What type are they? If those are Chinese Algae Eaters, they can wreak havoc as they mature. They can reach 10 inches in size and will suck the slime coat of your fish.
If they are SAEs, provide them with more hiding places as they are known to bicker with each other.

4. Convicts-I wouldn't place them in the tank with goldfish. Cons are quite belligerent and will terrorize your other fish.

For the second tank, 50 liters is almost 12.5 gallons. Still overstocked with 6 crayfish which can reach more than 6 inches if given the best conditions. They are also well-known for attacking even shrimps and fish.

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Old 12-21-2006, 06:54 PM   #12
 
My pic of my blue clawed crayfish I bought yesterday.[/img]
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:03 PM   #13
 
Gidday blue,
I dont want to sound mean but i already know that crayfish can grow over 6 inches but that tank is a tempoary spot for my babys and 2 larger ones at the moment till i Get a new pond out the back!
Also my adult goldfish have reached there largest point at the moment due to them being in a pond out the back they have reached there limit of growth!!! For my baby goldfish when I get rid of my fry in the pond and move my convict fish I will be putting my medium sized gold fish in that pond!
As for my silver dollars I know they can grow really big But For now i am keeping them in that tank until they get big then i will put them in a 30 gallon etc!!!!!
And as for my algea eating catfish I only have one so i wont need alot of places for them to hide in because he already has his own area inside the cave!!!! And they do stay small!!!
I only put my convict fish in there for the moment because They (the other convict parents in the pond) will kill her if she goes near the fry!!!!
Shehas not been attacking my fish verociously and seems to be getting along fine!
Also with the yabbies as I said in my other post I want the yabbys to eat the shrimp because they are feeder shrimp and i want the shrimp and yabbies to eat the fish because they are feeder fish ($5.00 for 25).
many thx
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:10 PM   #14
 
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As for my silver dollars I know they can grow really big But For now i am keeping them in that tank until they get big then i will put them in a 30 gallon etc!!!!!
I wouldn't wait for them to get big. Their growth will be stunted as it is being delayed by space issues.
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And as for my algea eating catfish I only have one so i wont need alot of places for them to hide in because he already has his own area inside the cave!!!! And they do stay small!!!
Pics would help. It could be an oto, a plec or a CAE.:)
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:11 PM   #15
 
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My pic of my blue clawed crayfish I bought yesterday.[/img]
The pic's not shown here.:) The image code was cut.:)
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:15 PM   #16
 
Gidday,
I may sound stupid but how do i post my pics onto here????????
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:22 PM   #17
 
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Gidday,
I may sound stupid but how do i post my pics onto here????????
Lol..We get questions like those often. Don't worry about it. Here it goes.:)

Click 'Upload Picture'. The button is located above the button 'Close Tags'. Then click 'Browse'. Go to your folder where you stored the pictures. Click 'Open' and click 'Send'.:)

There are two options after the picture appears on the Uploading box:
1. 'Standard'-Click it and the uploading box will disappear and the image code will appear in your 'Post Reply'.
2. 'Insert Picture and Upload Another One'-Click it and you can continue uploading pictures without repeatedly clicking the 'Upload Picture' button again.

Either way works. But if you are planning to post lots of pictures, go with the 2nd one as it is a faster route.:)
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Old 12-22-2006, 02:33 AM   #18
 
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A few corrections I'd like to make:
1. Silver dollars can get up to 10 inches... not 6. So, if you're still thinking of putting them into a 30 gallon, I ask a favor. Get a tape measure and some string/yarn, and map out the length and width of a 30 gallon tank... then go to your kitchen and get 1 dinner plate for each fish you have in there now. Hold each plate verticle and place it inside the "frame" you mapped for the 30 gallon... and then maybe refigure the size of tank you're going to need. For 4 silver dollars, by themselves, you're going to need well over 200 gallons before they're done growing (150 if you want to do multiple water changes each wk).
2. Blue crayfish eat fish, so I wouldn't mix them with anything other than feeder fish. The first chance they get to grab a fish, they'll take it.
3. If you're talking about fancy goldfish, they will average about 8 inches full grown. If they are in too small of a tank, nitrate buildup begins to get out of hand, and high nitrate levels over a period of time will stunt their growth, but will also poison them slowly, in their own waste. They can suffer from internal damage and other health problems until they eventually die from it. To keep 4 fancy goldfish to full grown, they should be in over 100 gallons and cleaned weekly, at least.
Most healthy goldfish will reach full grown size within the first few years.
4. Mixing a convict with silver dollars long term also something I don't suggest. Silver dollars are prone to ick from stress, and once the convict settles in and begins to stake out territory, it will defend it by attacking the other fish... silver dollars are not known to hold their own to this very well. If you're working with 200 plus gallons, maybe... but I wouldn't do it longterm in a smaller tank, especially under 55 - 75 gallons right from the start.
Your tanks are already way overstocked, and what you will be in need of very soon will be much much larger tanks to divide the fish properly according to environment and compatibility needs. 30 gallons really isn't going to be a whole lot of help to you with the fish you have now. The best way to keep the silver dollars safe until the convict is moved is to make sure they're always bigger than the convict.
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:50 PM   #19
 
Gidday,
I don't know about you but in australia a 200 or even a 100 galllon fish tank is alot of money. And I am pretty sure my silver dollars aren;t going to grow to 10 inches overnight are they?? So I am keeping them in my fish tank I got now!
As for the yabbys eating the fish I already know that that is why I bought the fish for them to EAT!!!
As for my 2 big gold fish I have had them for 6 years and for 5 of those years I kept them in my pond which is around 1 mtr in diameter. Gold fish grow to there maximum size in huge big ponds where they can addapt to the environment and know that they have space to grow.
My fish tank is 83 ltrs and my goldfish seem to be doing fine As they are. So you cant tell me they are going to die in my aquarium where it is cleaned weekly when they survived in my pond with no filter!!!!!!!
So please can you get the whole 200 gallon Idea out of here because in Australia on a very low wage is alot of money for a fish tank!!!
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:21 PM   #20
 
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For starters, the sarcasm needs to go. Everyone here is simply trying to help you by giving you a heads up on the animals you are keeping, and what they will need as they grow.
Silver dollars will grow fast... you should be able to expect them to double in size about every 6 months or so.
As for the goldfish, I'd be curious to see the results of a nitrate test? I have 2 housed temporarily in a 20 gallon, and it takes a lot of work to keep that tank clean enough to keep them healthy until they can find a proper sized home. The bigger of them is 5 inches, the smaller is about 3. This tank is overstocked, thus the work increases until I can move them. Full grown, they will need a minimum of about 90 gallons to keep them healthy, and they're growing fast. I have been raising goldfish for many years, I have seen how big they get.

Nobody was implying that a 100 - 200 gallon tank is "cheap"... simply that with the fish you have, long term, this is the size tank to expect them to need. An outdoor environment is a lot different than an aquarium, biological filtration being one of them. This doesn't mean that the water can't get polluted, and, in fact, if the pond is too small for the fish that are in it, nitrate levels will have the same effect of stunting growth, causing internal damage, and eventually, killing the fish. Will your fish drop dead tomorrow? Probably not... but... long term, will they be healthy and grow to their natural/proper size in too small of a tank? No. The average life span of a fancy goldfish gets up to 60 - 70+ yrs... will they live that long in a 12 or 20 gallon tank? No. At some point, those fish should outgrow that tank, and if not moved, the conditions become dangerously toxic, even with weekly water changes.

Nobody here minds helping anyone out, that's the whole purpose of this board, but if you don't want honest and sincere answers and help, then please don't ask. This is a friendly board with friendly people, and a lot of useful information. Instead of getting angry at hearing other than what you'd hoped for, maybe instead, a better approach would be to store the information for future reference and let it go until you need it. Many of us here believe that it is more humane and much cheaper to prevent problems before they happen rather than ignoring the potential for them and then getting stuck all of a sudden when its least expected.
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