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post #1 of 9 Old 04-07-2008, 03:59 PM Thread Starter
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i have a pair of breeding Brichard Lyretail, the problem is that the other fish are eating the young, which i relise is goin to happen , but i have no spare tankfor them is there a way that they would survie still in the tank with the other fish.
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post #2 of 9 Old 04-07-2008, 04:47 PM
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That depends on how large the tank is, how much decoration is in the tank, and how many and what kind the other fish are...

If you can list those things and maybe a photo or 2 of the tank setup, we can maybe offer you some suggestions.

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i have a pair of breeding Brichard Lyretail, the problem is that the other fish are eating the young, which i relise is goin to happen , but i have no spare tankfor them is there a way that they would survie still in the tank with the other fish.
Sorry, derby. As long as you keep the breeders in with tankmates like that, you're going to lose the fry. The only thing you can do is remove the eggs, put them in a breeder net in the tank, add a slowly bubbling air stone in one corner (away from the eggs) so it slowly tumbles them, and wait for them to hatch.
You're really going to have to buy yourself another tank for the fry.

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post #4 of 9 Old 04-07-2008, 05:26 PM
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I disagree.
Without knowing what else is in the tank, how its decorated, and how large the tank is, there is no way anyone can say that netting them is the only way.
Brichardi are one of the easier cichlids to breed, and they tend to be good parents. They are cave spawners, so making sure they have plenty of space and shelter from the other fish can help to ensure the fry survive.
Netting eggs, especially in the same tank as the adults, is sure to cause losses just as substantial. Eggs not tended by the parents have a tendency to fall victim to fungus, and you can't use a preventive medication to help them that way.

Again, without more details about this specific situation, nobody can say much of anything to help.

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post #5 of 9 Old 04-08-2008, 11:08 AM Thread Starter
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its a 40 gallon tank, with lava rocks in there to form caves. they is 3 yellow labs, Neolamprologus leleupi , and 2 Altolamprologus calvus (Black).

what i am going to say next may shock you but, i have a pair of con victs in with them. and belive me or not they seem to be gettin on fine with each other, thay has been no trouble.
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post #6 of 9 Old 04-08-2008, 11:16 AM
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With that mix in order to insure you get fry is to self hatch in another tank of gal or more no more then 5g. I have all the info on how if you want pm me. But like bettababy said using your tank the parents are in medacating the eggs so fungus dosn't get to them is imposable.
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I'm not sure how long this has all been set up, but those fish are not going to stay together long term in that size of a tank. The combination and number of fish are going to get too large for that tank, and as those fish get older and mature, you will probably notice your calvus causing problems. (possibly the leleupi, too)
The brichardi and the yellow labs are compatible, but the leleupi and calvus are going to be more aggressive.
Full grown the calvus will get about 6 inches and is a known predator to smaller fishes.
Leleupi average about 4 inches each... also can get quite aggressive with more peaceful species.
Yellow labs average about 5 inches each, and your brichardi average about 4 inches.

The only solution you're going to have that is really safe is going to be to move your breeding pair to another tank. I would suspect the biggest problem is the calvus... they're known to be quite nasty when it comes to hunting down and feeding on smaller fish.

I will not suggest the net thing with the eggs... and after consulting with my husband about it, he said the same thing. Netting the eggs isn't your solution... moving the breeding pair is.
Once your fry are hatched, you're going to need a large enough tank for them and the adults, with room for all of those fry to grow. I wouldn't attempt to do this in anything less than 55 - 75 gallons. Water quality will be an issue, as will compatibility if they are too crowded. While they are known to be one of the more peaceful, they are still aggressive with each other if they don't have enough territory.

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post #8 of 9 Old 07-16-2008, 07:23 AM
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i have a pair of breeding Brichard Lyretail, the problem is that the other fish are eating the young, which i relise is goin to happen , but i have no spare tankfor them is there a way that they would survie still in the tank with the other fish.
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i have a pair of breeding Brichard Lyretail, the problem is that the other fish are eating the young, which i relise is goin to happen , but i have no spare tankfor them is there a way that they would survie still in the tank with the other fish.
You can put in a divider or you could get a fry hatchery container until you get another small tank (something like 10-20 litre) so they get big enough to defend themselves.
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