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post #1 of 21 Old 08-19-2012, 10:05 PM Thread Starter
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bolivian ram information needed

I just got a juvenile bolivian ram and was wondering when their bright red-ish fin highlights start to appear. right now my ram has the yellow belly/sides and some black areas near the eye but its fins are clear and......well......he needs more color lol. so does anyone know what age rams start to get red-ish fins?
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post #2 of 21 Old 08-20-2012, 02:28 AM
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I don't know the ages that they color up, but I do know it is common for them to color down when stressed out. You just got them it so focus on getting his environment right, also they do better with a mate. When they are confident that their new conditions are stable and they are happy they will color up nicely

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post #3 of 21 Old 08-20-2012, 08:05 PM
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A caution, before getting a second...what size is the tank? Have you got a male or a female?

Mikrogeophagus altispinosus and its close cousin M. ramirezi, the two "rams," form bonded pairs. The male selects his female and they bond, usually for life. If you have a male, or a female, and add a ram of the opposite sex, they will not necessarily "bond," with the result that the female (usually) will be stressed to actual death. And if you should end up with two males, they will each consider the tank "their territory" and if it is not large enough one of them will likely soon be dead. This fish seems to live in isolation in their habitat, except when they mate.

As for the colour, the fish has to be "happy" in its environment. And like most cichlids, they do not appreciate being moved, so they take time to settle, from days to weeks depending upon the individual fish.

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i have a 20 gallon long with 6 bloodfins, 4 julii corys, and 1 ram.i dont think i can fit another ram.....
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i have a 20 gallon long with 6 bloodfins, 4 julii corys, and 1 ram.i dont think i can fit another ram.....
Definitely not.

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Id go larger, Like a 30 or 40 gal tank.

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post #7 of 21 Old 08-26-2012, 06:46 AM
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As Byron pointed out, these little guys DO stress easily, and it can take them quite some time to settle into a new environment. In my experience with these beauties, it is usually the coloration on their bodies that will be an indicator of stress - no so much their fins. BR usually have a dark black spot on their side, in a stressed fish, these spots will pale almost to invisibility, and the fish will take on an overall white and bland appearance in body - sometimes they get what is referred to as 'stress spots' which . . . kind of give the impression that someone has sprinkled them with a bit of pepper - it's hard to explain! Since you say that you can see the yellow on his belly, my guess is that he's still young, and time will bring out his reds! Can you estimate about how big the little guy is? Maybe a picture? I always love to see pictures of rams!
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post #8 of 21 Old 08-26-2012, 11:07 PM Thread Starter
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yeah he is probably close to 2inches and he has this black spot on his side as well as yellow areas and i have actually started to see some red fins! only problem now is that i have an epedemic at the moment and that would be why im not on very often. i bought 3 more bloodfin tetras and they all had a disease and within 6 hours i have 1 dead already and 1 other cant even swim...... i have had enough with Petco. if anybody could tell me what this disease is that would be great: the victims seem to have many small blue spots on them which obviously isnt a bloodfin marking......

EDIT: when i said 3 more tetras i meant that i didnt quite have 6 yet, i only had 3 and then i just got 3 more not that i have 6 and i got 3 more lol that would be alot of tetras.

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post #9 of 21 Old 08-27-2012, 07:38 AM
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Well, yay that we were right and your little one just needed to settle in and grow up a bit! I'm so sorry about the Tetra! I wish I could help you - hopefully they're in a QT tank? You might want to go and post this on the health and illness board - hopefully someone more familiar with fishy diseases can help. . . :(
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post #10 of 21 Old 08-27-2012, 10:10 AM
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A photo of the diseased fish would help. I would think it likely is ich, the "blue" might be due to the fish's colour and light.

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