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post #11 of 25 Old 05-27-2010, 01:12 PM
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Kymmie, Are just 2 males fine together or just 2 females? I went on-line looking for information on the Bolivian Ram and it seems that someone had 3 females and the male only mated with the 1 female and pushed the othe 2 to the other side of the tank. This happened the second mating and so I guess they are a mated pair for life. I not looking to breed any. I just think they are really pretty looking. How big do they get when they get adult size? Are males more colorful then the females? I know nothing about Bolivian Rams.
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post #12 of 25 Old 05-27-2010, 01:33 PM
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Kymmie, Are just 2 males fine together or just 2 females? I went on-line looking for information on the Bolivian Ram and it seems that someone had 3 females and the male only mated with the 1 female and pushed the othe 2 to the other side of the tank. This happened the second mating and so I guess they are a mated pair for life. I not looking to breed any. I just think they are really pretty looking. How big do they get when they get adult size? Are males more colorful then the females? I know nothing about Bolivian Rams.
IME, males are fine together providing they have enough room to set up their own territories. Planted tanks are great as it breaks their line of sight from each other. Your tank has the room, you just need to get a little more plant growth going (for them as adults) as the way it is now they'd be able to see each other from opposite ends of the tank. Once your crypts fill in I'd think you'd be fine. You can add juveniles now since they don't really start that squabbling until they are approaching adulthood and your tank should be filled in nicely by then. Mine were colorless babies (at first ) and they hung out tightly together. Once they started coloring up they split up.

My males will be side by side when eating and they do a little posturing and bickering (nothing extreme) and after the food is gone they retreat to their individual spaces.

Mine are fully grown and barely reach 3" on the tape. The males are more colorful than the females. I've heard you can have one of each sex and even then you're not guaranteed that they will pair up. Not sure on that one though.

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Eileen, check out the info in our profile of this species, it will answer your questions. You can go directly to the profile by clicking on the shaded fish name in posts too, as: Bolivian Ram or the scientific name Mikrogeophagus altispinosus.

Two or more males will establish their individual territories so they need sufficient space; thre males in a 4-foot will work with plant and wood separation between territories. A pair works if you can find a pair, distinguishing male and female when young is not easy. And they do fine singly, just one fish in an aquarium, as explained in the profile.

Liam, these fish actually do quite well at parenting from the start, unlike angels for instance. The only fish in your tank that might end this soon are the corys. Once they know there are fry present, they can be very persistent, and they are then oblivious to the attacks of a cichlid because of their armour. I experienced this with Mikrogeophagus ramirezi; all was well for about 4 or 5 days, then a couple of the corys came upon the fry and bingo, there was a feeding frenzy which the female ram could not dispel thought she tried.

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I got 2 males and 2 females, so far only 1 pair have coupled up. And as far as sexual dimorphism goes, there is very little. Their coloration and body types are exact replicas, except for one small thing. From pectoral fin to breeding tube, on females, is convex, and males is flat or concave.

they are all equally territorial until they pair, so deciding which gender you want is sorta moot. Unless you're breeding.
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post #15 of 25 Old 05-27-2010, 06:14 PM
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Thanks for the information. I would love getting some fry from you in the future. I read they get along with anglefish so My 1 angelfish should be ok if they go into my 55 gal. display tank. I have tons of room it is very understocked right now and my live plants are all growing well.
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post #16 of 25 Old 05-27-2010, 06:21 PM Thread Starter
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they get along great with everything! Even when they are protecting their fry they take great care to be 'scary' as opposed to violent.
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post #17 of 25 Old 05-27-2010, 06:33 PM
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PM me when you are ready to sell some of the fry. Where about in the U.S are you? I'm in San Diego California. I'm not sure how much shipping will be. If you need me to sent a insulated box with breather bags and a heat pack. I know that in the summer months you do not need a heat pack. I can send you some Guppies or Assassin snails if you need a box and stuff that way you can reuse the box and send me like 4-6 Ram fry. How many fry do you think you have? I thought my Black Moscow had about 50 fry. I was wrong and she had 119 total. I rehomed 77 and 10 were food for my community tank fish. I have about 32 give or take.
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post #18 of 25 Old 05-27-2010, 09:32 PM Thread Starter
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I'd say right now I have about 80 fry, however, that means nothing right now. Between now and the point where they're big enough to eat flake food there could be very few left.

I'm well stocked with breather bags and insulated boxes, thank you though!

I'll let you know when they're closer to an inch in size.
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post #19 of 25 Old 06-02-2010, 11:32 AM
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Mordaphus, I was researching the Bolivian Ram on Google and they said that Bolivian Ram fry are sensitive to Nitrate the slightest amount will kill them. So I guess you might have to test your water often and do water changes. How are your baby fry doing? Post pictures as they start getting bigger.
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post #20 of 25 Old 06-02-2010, 12:01 PM Thread Starter
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As I predicted, by the time I came home on monday, there were 3 left, and this morning none. It was the corys and the mollys! But I have no trouble with nitrates, I have about as many plants as my aquarium will fit. I might have my SA biotope done by next spawning though, and they can spawn in there and raise the fry.

sorry eileen!
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