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Old 03-21-2011, 08:20 PM   #21
 
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I would also like to add that I have been looking at tons of pictures of Bolivian rams all over the Internet, and they all look like mine but have amazing yellows and pinks ect.. Mine don't have any yellow whatsoever, just black and grey? Is this a result of my tank conditions? If I perfect the water for them, will they start getting brilliant colours like in the pictures? I have some very good pictures of both my rams that would probably help a lot, but I don't have a computer and have been on this site solely on my iPhone, is there any way I can put mobile pictures on here via iPhone?
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be sure to type in bolivian ram not ram
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:43 PM   #22
 
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I am very sorry!

Byron: (or anyone) here's some pics, first link is the ram I am worried about (he's paler now) and the second is my ram that seems to thrive and is the aggressor. Blue Ram or Bolivian Ram?

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd429/Catherinesekel/3b270ad5.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd429/Catherinesekel/e7792fa3.jpg
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:18 AM   #23
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Defiantly looks like mine which unless I have been mistaken this whole time are Bolivian rams. First one looks like a female but its hard to tell from the picture, second one I cant really tell, if you can give me really clean profile shots I cant probably guess which sex they are, although it can be hard with Bolivian rams until they are sexually active.

If it is a female male pair then it might be best to leave them in the same tank together and let them hash out their differences and you might end up with a breeding pair, I know my 2 rams were fighting pretty bad (actually mouth locking each other) until they decided it was time to settle down and have a family.
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:28 AM   #24
 
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I am very sorry!

Byron: (or anyone) here's some pics, first link is the ram I am worried about (he's paler now) and the second is my ram that seems to thrive and is the aggressor. Blue Ram or Bolivian Ram?

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...l/3b270ad5.jpg

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...l/e7792fa3.jpg
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They are both definitely Bolivian Rams. I cannot ascertain if male or female. It is difficult to distinguish sex with this species until they are mature, and I've no idea how old these may be. Usually after 1.5 years it is fairly easy to see extensions to the caudal fin (male) and sometimes dorsal rays.

These fish will "change" colour intensity quite frequently, that is not in itself a problem, it is natural. I have a male that is now 2.5 years old (they live 4 years) and he can be pale too. When the female was present, he would really change according to his mood, but on his own he is generally less colourful. But it varies.

I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the ill fish from that photo. Sometimes this is easier when one can observe the fish continually. If for instance these are actually both males, one is going to be dominant (or try to be) and if the other submits, it will always be paler and less active, and depending upon the environment (space, hiding spots) and the fish itself, may slowly or more quickly die. As noted in our profile, this is a species that appears to live in isolation in nature, only coming together to spawn. The continual presence of another fish is therefore not likely to be met with acceptance.

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Old 03-22-2011, 03:51 PM   #25
 
Wow thanks a ton! All of you are wonderful, it has definitely helped me immense amounts, I am greatful! :) My "ill" Bolivian ram has really lightened up since being moved, thanks again!!!
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:59 PM   #27
 
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Defiantly looks like mine which unless I have been mistaken this whole time are Bolivian rams. First one looks like a female but its hard to tell from the picture, second one I cant really tell, if you can give me really clean profile shots I cant probably guess which sex they are, although it can be hard with Bolivian rams until they are sexually active.

If it is a female male pair then it might be best to leave them in the same tank together and let them hash out their differences and you might end up with a breeding pair, I know my 2 rams were fighting pretty bad (actually mouth locking each other) until they decided it was time to settle down and have a family.
Here's a better shot of the second one maybe it'll help :)

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd429/Catherinesekel/d804c577.jpg
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:21 PM   #28
 
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From the photos I'm also inclined to think both are female. The ovipositor appears thick, as on the female.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:18 PM   #29
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I'd have to agree there, chances are you wont be able to keep them together unless you get a pretty large tank (55 gallon +) other wise they might continue fighting since they are same sex.
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