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Old 03-19-2011, 04:12 PM   #11
 
Thank you so much Zof, I am very grateful for all the info!! I have lost a male guppy since my last post, which I am very sad to admit, but I am very happy now that I know what I can do to keep them healthy. I have not checked the link yet, but just in case it doesn't tell me the answer to this question, when I do water changes how much percentage of the water do I change? And what do I replace it with, like treated tapwater or..? Also Should I move my aggressive ram out of the tank into a 10gal or the one I'm worried about? Thank you very much!
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:03 PM   #12
 
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it is a 38 but less because of substrate. I will get plants tomorrow and lots of them so there should be a lot of space and hiding spots. I have never kept kribs either but my water met their needs and my female ram died from the male I think. I thought I should try a new cichilid
In my view, a 38g is not large enough for more than one species of cichlid. Nothing less than 4 feet of tank is suitable for mixing cichlid species. With a pair, they will certainly be spawning regularly, and all cichlids can get feisty (to put it mildly) when spawning.
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:16 PM   #13
 
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Thank you so much Zof, I am very grateful for all the info!! I have lost a male guppy since my last post, which I am very sad to admit, but I am very happy now that I know what I can do to keep them healthy. I have not checked the link yet, but just in case it doesn't tell me the answer to this question, when I do water changes how much percentage of the water do I change? And what do I replace it with, like treated tapwater or..? Also Should I move my aggressive ram out of the tank into a 10gal or the one I'm worried about? Thank you very much!
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Catherine, first off, welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

Now to your issues. I read through this thread, and there is something wrong with your original Ram. The aggressiveness of the new Ram is only going to make this much worse, as this causes severe stress to the first Ram who is already in poor health. Remove the first (sick) Ram to the 10g. Hopefully whatever it has will not have infected the other fish or the tank.

Now to the second (newer) Ram. If this is the Bolivian Ram, they can manage with cooler temperatures than the common or blue ram. But White Cloud Mountain Minnow is a very cool water fish and I would not combined them with normal tropicals. Perhaps the store will allow you to return the new Ram? I certainly recommend it. First for the incompatibility with the white clouds, and second there are too many fish in this tank, not to mention the non-cycled aspect.

Normally, an aquarium that is balanced between fish, live plants if any, and the water volume should have a partial water change every week. The volume changed can somewhat depend upon the fish (the species, their size) in relation to the tank size, but 40-50% every week is safe. During the initial cycling, this is much more critical. Ammonia and then nitrite are highly toxic to fish, and even if they "survive" the cycle, they can have permanent internal damage that will result in poor health, additional disease, and/or premature death. Daily partial water changes of 50% are advised if either ammonia or nitrite is above .25 ppm. Your API test kit will allow you to monitor these.

Use a good water conditioner. During cycling I recommend either Prime (made by Seachem) or Ultimate (made by Aquarium Solutions) as these are the only two I know of that detoxify both ammonia and nitrite. But they only work for 24-36 hours, so daily monitoring of ammonia and nitrite is crucial to keep levels very low.

That linked article will explain cycling more fully. Good luck. And do not hesitate to ask along the way.

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P.S. You will note the shading over the whitecloud and two ram fish names above; this means the species is included in our profiles, and you can click on the name to see information about the fish.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:31 PM   #14
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+1 Given the level of overstocking and the fact is still being cycled 50% daily would almost be your minimum until its cycled, get that API master test kit and test the water and you will find out what we are talking about.
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:33 PM   #15
 
Thanks very much for the post :) I am currently living in a town Up north that does not have a pet store, and the next town closest is a 4 hour drive away, so it's very difficult for me to get these things that I need. I have moved my Bolivian ram to a 10g along with 3 white clouds (Is that too much?), there are no stores in town that sell aquatic plants either, so I am stuck in a difficult situation to get the stuff I need. I was looking at a bag of stuff that my grandmother gave to me along with the fish tank and I found a bottle of ammonia reducer for fish tanks. Would it be safe to use this until I am able to make a trip out of town? Also thanks for the amazing help Byron and Zof, it is much appreciated!
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:42 PM   #16
 
I would also like to add that I have been looking at tons of pictures of Bolivian rams all over the Internet, and they all look like mine but have amazing yellows and pinks ect.. Mine don't have any yellow whatsoever, just black and grey? Is this a result of my tank conditions? If I perfect the water for them, will they start getting brilliant colours like in the pictures? I have some very good pictures of both my rams that would probably help a lot, but I don't have a computer and have been on this site solely on my iPhone, is there any way I can put mobile pictures on here via iPhone?
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:34 PM   #17
 
My avatars don't work and neither do my pictures. I don't know why, I am just trowing this out there
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:39 PM   #18
 
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Both of you will need more technically-adept members than I am to help with the iphone issues.

Catherine, we have fish profiles here, both rams are included; take a look at the photos there. You may be mixing the common or blue ram with the Bolivian Ram, there is no pink on the body of the Bolivian. If you click on the name when it is shaded, the profile will open in a new window. If it turns out you have the common ram, then they need much warmer temperatures, no less than 80F, and your white clouds will not last long at that high a temperature.

Acquiring things like the API test kit online is viable when you have no reliable local stores. If you're in the USA there are several online places; if in Canada I can suggest a couple that I've used.

Does that ammonia product have a name (if in the original packaging)? It may or may not be useful.

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Old 03-21-2011, 07:59 PM   #19
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My rams are just black and gray with a touch of red on the fins just like our profile shows, you might see a glimmer of other color in them but for the most part they should be black and gray.

I'm afraid when you are looking online bolivian and blue rams are mentioned many times in the same page so the search engine doesn't know better and will put pictures up for both, plus there are probably quite a few hybrids out there that would have the additional coloration.

From what you are describing your fish they sound like the Bolivian Ram and not the Blue Ram so we are good there, as for your picture thing you might try to upload the picture right to this site, look in your personal preferences area and look for the photo section then upload your photos and use the link provided to post the picture in the text box.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:17 PM   #20
 
i will try that but all of my pictures are fuzzy so...
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