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Old 12-28-2010, 01:10 PM   #11
 
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The tank is a 20 gallon long tank with an AquaClear 50 (foam, biomax, carbon, ammonia remover) and a 100 watt Hagen Elite heater. I treated the tank with API Stress Coat+. . .the guy at the pet shop told me all I had to do was add this to the water (according to the directions) and it would be fine. I added the stress coat then let everything run for a few days before I added the fish. The temp is 78-79 degrees and the pH is at 7.6. . . .there are two Bolivian Rams and 4 tiger barbs in the tank. Sorry for the bad pics guys, took them on an Iphone, i'll try to take some better pics. One Ram is always swimming around the other spends a lot of time under that little rock bridge but when it does come out (which has been much more often lately) it swims right next to the other one. Sometimes they lip lock but mostly it looks like they nip each others body, they never seem to nip fins. It doesn't look harmful, the fish being nipped just turns the other way way and then they start swimming together again. The are especially active when I feed them. The guy at the pet shop told me to buy some flakes and that they'll eat it, the tiger barbs AND the rams. The thing is when I drop in some flakes the tiger barbs race to the top to eat and the rams just seem to get whatever floats down to the bottom. What sort of sinking food should I get for the rams since they don't seem to like coming to the top to eat? Also just one more thing, what can I get (snail/shrimp) that will help in keeping the tank clean?
Several issues here on which I'd like to offer suggestions. First, Christople is correct that "cover" needn't be live plants, but some cover must be present or the fish will be stressed to some degree as their natural habitat provides them cover from branches, roots, etc. Live plants work so well which is why so many of us recommend them, as they not only provide cover but have a biological stabilizing effect on the water.

Temp and pH is fine for Bolivians. Their interactive behaviours seldom lead to injury unless something else is stressing them further. I see the behaviours you mention in my pair all the time, plus others. Sometimes the male, sometimes the female, will get very feisty and really drive the other fish out of sight, quite roughly too. This is natural, and another reason for lots of "cover". From your recent photos, I think at least one of them is female; the breeding tube seems to be thick (the male's is much thinner when you see both fish) but I won't swear to it, these are young fish.

Rams rarely eat from the surface, so sinking foods are best. Any of the pellet/tablet/disk foods for catfish work; my pair regularly chew into these along with the corys, but they have never gone to the surface. Frozen bloodworms are good, you need to add these with a pipette or syringe to ensure sufficient get close to the bottom before the other fish get them.

A comment on Tiger Barb. These can be problematic fish--not always, but it is in their nature to be "nasty" and this frequently occurs, sometimes later after they are more "settled." Especially in smaller groups like 4; you really should have 8 or more, so another 4 [if you really like them and want them as the only other fish in the tank]. Alternatively, return the 4 and select another companion fish for the Rams. The Tigers might in time bother the rams too, and this causes considerable stress even if no physical damage. Fish can "sense" other fish's traits, sort of like a "second sight" to us. In a confined aquarium this is more stressful than it would ever be in the wild. But then, these two fish would never see each other in the wild. You can read about the TB in our profiles, click on the shaded name.

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Several issues here on which I'd like to offer suggestions. First, Christople is correct that "cover" needn't be live plants, but some cover must be present or the fish will be stressed to some degree as their natural habitat provides them cover from branches, roots, etc. Live plants work so well which is why so many of us recommend them, as they not only provide cover but have a biological stabilizing effect on the water.

Temp and pH is fine for Bolivians. Their interactive behaviours seldom lead to injury unless something else is stressing them further. I see the behaviours you mention in my pair all the time, plus others. Sometimes the male, sometimes the female, will get very feisty and really drive the other fish out of sight, quite roughly too. This is natural, and another reason for lots of "cover". From your recent photos, I think at least one of them is female; the breeding tube seems to be thick (the male's is much thinner when you see both fish) but I won't swear to it, these are young fish.

Rams rarely eat from the surface, so sinking foods are best. Any of the pellet/tablet/disk foods for catfish work; my pair regularly chew into these along with the corys, but they have never gone to the surface. Frozen bloodworms are good, you need to add these with a pipette or syringe to ensure sufficient get close to the bottom before the other fish get them.

A comment on Tiger Barb. These can be problematic fish--not always, but it is in their nature to be "nasty" and this frequently occurs, sometimes later after they are more "settled." Especially in smaller groups like 4; you really should have 8 or more, so another 4 [if you really like them and want them as the only other fish in the tank]. Alternatively, return the 4 and select another companion fish for the Rams. The Tigers might in time bother the rams too, and this causes considerable stress even if no physical damage. Fish can "sense" other fish's traits, sort of like a "second sight" to us. In a confined aquarium this is more stressful than it would ever be in the wild. But then, these two fish would never see each other in the wild. You can read about the TB in our profiles, click on the shaded name.

Byron.
Thanks for the help guys. . .do you think I should add 4 more tiger barbs?? I wouldn't add anything else, but doesn't 8 tiger barbs and 2 rams seem a bit much for a 20 gallon long?? I picked up Wardley Cichlid Crumbles (slow sinking). . .the rams grabbed a piece each as they were falling, but now its just sitting on the bottom and they're swimming by the food not touching it (maybe an occasional nibble but that's it). . .is this the wrong food or will they just take a while to become accustomed to this?
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:28 PM   #13
 
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If they are "nibbling" they will be fine. They are not fast or big eaters I find. The peck at tablets. Once they are used to this, one tablet will be sufficient to avoid polluting the water. If not eaten, it may start to fungus, then remove it. Of course, some substrate fish like a small group of corys would help. A trio of one species would be fine in your 20g.

And on the tigers, I know a group of 8 should be in a 30g tank; but it is a question of stressing them with few numbers, or pushing the water conditions. If you are regular in water changes, and have live plants, this is workable. My personal preference would be to exchange the Tigers for other suitable fish. But you should have what you want, and if this fish is it, then provide for its needs as best you can.

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Old 12-28-2010, 07:55 PM   #14
 
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Looks like you've got good advice about the barbs and adding some cover. What I'm most concerned about is that you don't seem to have cycled this tank at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You added your sand/gravel, the decorations, and then filled things up. Added the stress coat and the dropped in the fish. No wait time or anything?

The reason I ask is because there's a period of time where you have to build up the bacteria in the tank to help take care of the fish wastes or you end up with an ammonia spike which can kill your fish. This can happen pretty fast, especially in a tank without any live plants. Can you confirm that you've done things like this? Or was there something I missed?
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