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post #1 of 15 Old 01-29-2012, 04:56 PM Thread Starter
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Blue rams in a 55 gallon tank

Hi everyone,
I got a pair of German Rams in the 1st week of last December (2011) for my 55 gallon tank. I was told that it was a male-female pair. However, it became quite evident that they were both males. After seeing pics & reading on the web, and asking other local guys, I've been able to distinguish a male blue ram from a female.
About 5 days ago, I found that the local Petco got a shipment of female blue rams. I picked one up today and the dominant male has started pairing with it. I was wondering if it would be possible to get another female for the other male. If so, how soon can I do that? Or should I separate the other male ? My tank is well planted. I'm attaching pics of the aquiarium at its current state and of the pair as well.
Also, I read that putting in earthen pots are good. Will a 3-inch pot work? How many will I need?
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post #2 of 15 Old 01-30-2012, 05:14 PM
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The profile says to have 2-3 females for each male, so i would just add the extra females in so the dominate isn't always harassing the one female. As for the pots, i would get a 3-4 if there are no other cave like structures in your tank.
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You may have lucked out. Males of this species likes to select their own mate and they usually form a bonded pair pretty much for life. Not just any female will be accepted. Of course, things can change. I did much the same for my male Bolivian Ram, introduced a female, and they immediately got together and spawned 4 times before he killed her. In between spawnings they did push each other around a bit, but they were in a 5-foot tank with heavy planting so I figured the female could get away. Besides, she could get pretty rough on him when the mood struck. During one spawning, the first I think, she had him cowering under the plants while she guarded the eggs and fry.

I would remove the other male. Having luck with another female might be asking for too much.

On the clay pots, this isn't needed. Rams are substrate spawners, not cave spawners. They will select a flattish rock, sometimes wood, or even just make a shallow pit in the substrate.

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You may have lucked out. Males of this species likes to select their own mate and they usually form a bonded pair pretty much for life. Not just any female will be accepted. Of course, things can change. I did much the same for my male Bolivian Ram, introduced a female, and they immediately got together and spawned 4 times before he killed her. In between spawnings they did push each other around a bit, but they were in a 5-foot tank with heavy planting so I figured the female could get away. Besides, she could get pretty rough on him when the mood struck. During one spawning, the first I think, she had him cowering under the plants while she guarded the eggs and fry.

I would remove the other male. Having luck with another female might be asking for too much.

On the clay pots, this isn't needed. Rams are substrate spawners, not cave spawners. They will select a flattish rock, sometimes wood, or even just make a shallow pit in the substrate.

Byron.
Thanks Byron.
I didn't know they can be aggresive toward each other even when they've paired up ! I'll keep an eye on things.
I'm setting up a 29 gallon now. Once its matured, I'll probably transfer the male to that one.
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The profile says to have 2-3 females for each male, so i would just add the extra females in so the dominate isn't always harassing the one female. As for the pots, i would get a 3-4 if there are no other cave like structures in your tank.
I think you misread the profile. Blue rams should always be kept in pairs.
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post #6 of 15 Old 02-01-2012, 10:26 AM Thread Starter
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The pair of rams that seem to have formed a pair have a curious behavior. Whenever I feed the fish, the dominant male chases the female away from the substrate where the pellets drop. But once feeding is over, he goes back to her. Is this normal?

Also, how long does it take for a pair to form?
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The pair of rams that seem to have formed a pair have a curious behavior. Whenever I feed the fish, the dominant male chases the female away from the substrate where the pellets drop. But once feeding is over, he goes back to her. Is this normal?

Also, how long does it take for a pair to form?
This is still "iffy." You can only observe.

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Even in bonded pairs the male will chase at times. As Byron said, just keep observing. If you notice injuries they are probably not bonding.
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Even in bonded pairs the male will chase at times. As Byron said, just keep observing. If you notice injuries they are probably not bonding.
Thanks. The female is sitting pretty on the sponge of the sponge filter...but I thought she was supposed to be swimming. Anyways, I'll keep my eyes on them.
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post #10 of 15 Old 02-13-2012, 03:16 PM Thread Starter
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Update...

I hate to say this, but the dominant male really bullied the heck out of the other GBRs. They were hiding near the top...a dead giveaway that they'd probably die. So I isolated them and gave all but the dominant male away
But anyway, I was wondering if I could replace the remaining GBR with 4-5 Bolivian rams in the same tank. Are Bolivian rams more peaceful? From the picture of my tank, does my tank have enough plants? Are there enough things to break the line of sight? If not, any suggestions are welcome.
Otherwise, I am thinking of getting 4-5 pearl Gouramis...they are available at my local LFS as well as Petsmart.

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