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post #1 of 12 Old 09-02-2010, 04:51 PM Thread Starter
Blue Ram Cichlid Compatibility?

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I was wonder if it was possible to add a Blue Ram Cichlid to my tank. I have 6 golden pristella tetras, 3 black skirts, 1 red-eye tetra and 3 otos in a 46 gallon tank? I have live plants, one big amazon sword and a bunch of chain sword plants at the bottom, only the amazon sword reaches the middle of the tank, everything else is very low to the gravel. The water is soft, very soft to the point where my MTS are unable to grow long shells. The water, according to my kid, reads 7.8 but i think thats inaccurate since my water has many pieces of driftwood and should be closer to neutral from the amount of tannins? I was also told that soft water should have lower ph.

Can i successfully keep a blue ram chiclid in this tank? I was hoping to get 2 and maybe 3 or 4 if u can identify 2 females. The man at Petco (yes i know most are uneducated) says i can't do it if i have water with that high a PH and that my red-eye tetra will get harassed and probably die from stress. Im also worried about my otos getting harassed since there are only 3 and they are very very small, only about 1.5cm each.
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post #2 of 12 Old 09-03-2010, 02:41 AM
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Hey all,

I was wonder if it was possible to add a Blue Ram Cichlid to my tank. I have 6 golden pristella tetras, 3 black skirts, 1 red-eye tetra and 3 otos in a 46 gallon tank? I have live plants, one big amazon sword and a bunch of chain sword plants at the bottom, only the amazon sword reaches the middle of the tank, everything else is very low to the gravel. The water is soft, very soft to the point where my MTS are unable to grow long shells. The water, according to my kid, reads 7.8 but i think thats inaccurate since my water has many pieces of driftwood and should be closer to neutral from the amount of tannins? I was also told that soft water should have lower ph.

Can i successfully keep a blue ram chiclid in this tank? I was hoping to get 2 and maybe 3 or 4 if u can identify 2 females. The man at Petco (yes i know most are uneducated) says i can't do it if i have water with that high a PH and that my red-eye tetra will get harassed and probably die from stress. Im also worried about my otos getting harassed since there are only 3 and they are very very small, only about 1.5cm each.

All of the fish you currently have ,will fair much better in groups of six to eight of each species.
If your ph from the tap is much higher than 7.2 , the majority of the German blue rams will fair poorly.
The Bolivian ram would be a better choice.
The higher pH numbers usually are associated with Hard alkaline waters which the German blue ram and or gold varieties do poorly in over the long haul.
They are a rather short lived species with life expectancy of 3 to 4 years in ideal soft water conditions.
More info on these fish can be found in fish Profile section here on the forum.

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post #3 of 12 Old 09-03-2010, 12:24 PM Thread Starter
Thanks a lot, i did not see any bolivian rams at any pet store near me, so i guess ill jsut pass on having cichlids seein as how the water parameters will not be good for them.
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post #4 of 12 Old 09-03-2010, 12:26 PM
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The Bolivian would be perfectly fine in your tank. They are readily captive bred so maybe make a few phone calls to all LFS in your area and you'd be able to locate them? I have them (ph is 7.8) and they do great, and have for a few years now. Find some!

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I will definitely try, the two nearest to me are a petco and petsmart respectively and i dont think they do that custom order stuff. Is mail ordering fish worth the cost of shipping? I see many reputable stores like that fish place, selling live fish via mail, i was wondering if it was a good option?
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I will definitely try, the two nearest to me are a petco and petsmart respectively and i dont think they do that custom order stuff. Is mail ordering fish worth the cost of shipping? I see many reputable stores like that fish place, selling live fish via mail, i was wondering if it was a good option?
If it was me and it was something I really wanted I would do mail order, from a reputable company that offers an "arrive live guarantee". I've heard liveaquaria is a good one, and many aquabid sellers have great reps.

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Thanks, I will definitely check out liveaquaria.
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post #8 of 12 Old 09-03-2010, 07:16 PM
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My comment is on your test kit--I wold recommend you buy a new one made by API. The regular range will probably be best from what you've mentioned. While not impossible, a pH of 7.8 is unlikely if the water is very soft.

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my current kit is by API and is about 3 years old now, i dont get to test regularly since i was at school until recently. I am planning to take a water sample to my local petco and have them test it.
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my current kit is by API and is about 3 years old now, i dont get to test regularly since i was at school until recently. I am planning to take a water sample to my local petco and have them test it.
All test kits "give out", and I believe 3 years is the max for API, and it may have been a year or two old when purchased, so that may be it. A stand-alone regular range pH kit from API is not very expensive, and as pH is something that should be regularly checked (not meaning daily, but maybe weekly before hte partial water change or even monthly) I would replace it. I only test pH periodically.

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