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post #1 of 10 Old 05-13-2007, 12:02 PM Thread Starter
Asian Hybrid parrotfish

Has anyone seen these odd looking cichlids? I saw them in chinatown philadelphia.I asked the owner and he said it was a mix of a red devil and a green sevrum.He also told be that they pinch the tail off of some when they are fry to give them a tailess appearence.I was horrified to learn this.
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post #2 of 10 Old 05-13-2007, 01:33 PM
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parrot cichlids have been around for a long time, and as you know they are hybreds. and currently they are in the frontrunning on the discussion about color injecting. (different story) anyway, you will notice that they cant close their mouths.

i personally like these fish, i owned over 30 of them in my career. So i dont really like the discussions about them in the bad sense. They "naturally" and i use that term lightly, black and turn yellowish to a light orange. But now you can see them in every color. Some have tils and others often sold under "heart tails" have no tails.

there is another speices of wild naturally occuring parrot cichlids, so dont get them confused, but the parrot cichlid in question is by far more common.
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post #3 of 10 Old 05-13-2007, 08:58 PM
A prime example of man trying to play God again. We will never learn, until it is too late.
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post #4 of 10 Old 05-13-2007, 09:41 PM
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...I have no issue with blood parrots...

...they're a hybrid...same as a mule...

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post #5 of 10 Old 05-13-2007, 10:03 PM
Why would man, the idiot, pursue the task of hybridizing a creature that is completely useless, and has no function in life other than to be a center of gratification to its creator?

Had our Creator had the same mentality as we, humans, do. We'd all look like parrot fish.
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A hundred thousand underwater creatures available in the aquarium trade and we choose hybrids? LOL I just don't see why we need to keep hybrids. Some people will just insist that they are still fish and should be treated equally. I still think this is not the case. Buying hybrids only gives the manufacturers the chance to create more.

I have been wearing a smug smile lately when I was informed by people I know that the flowerhorns are no longer profitable. Blood parrots are no longer the novelties in my area. The demands for hybrids are getting lower whereas the demands for rare unique fish, mostly monsters, is increasing.

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Why would man, the idiot, pursue the task of hybridizing a creature that is completely useless, and has no function in life other than to be a center of gratification to its creator?

Had our Creator had the same mentality as we, humans, do. We'd all look like parrot fish.
...well that's dumb ...any animal we choose as a pet and that doesn't breed is then also just a center of gratification for our vanity...

...and why...oh why...would He have us all look like blood parrots?

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post #8 of 10 Old 05-14-2007, 03:32 PM
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I think Blood Parrots are a strange exception, because they have issues that prevent them from functioning like a normal fish, such as the ability to close their mouth.

In general, I don't have a big problem with hybrid fish. If they're happy and healthy, why not? If it weren't for hybrids, we wouldn't have different breeds of domesticated dog. As long as hybrid fish aren't being released into the wild to out compete wild species, what is the harm of their existence in the pet trade?
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post #9 of 10 Old 05-14-2007, 04:21 PM
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most hybreds including parrots are usually around over 90% infertile.

i dont really care about the issue of hybreds, just as long as they dont pose problems to wild fish.

but let me ask you this, and you may consider it two different issues, but if it is about animal health, why do people breed bettas with long fins. isnt this almost like hybreds. they dont occur in the wild and in a sense it harms the animal as the long fins hinder their swimming ablities. So again i consider them very closly related issues.
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post #10 of 10 Old 05-14-2007, 04:32 PM
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but let me ask you this, and you may consider it two different issues, but if it is about animal health, why do people breed bettas with long fins. isnt this almost like hybreds. they dont occur in the wild and in a sense it harms the animal as the long fins hinder their swimming ablities. So again i consider them very closly related issues.
This is a very good point!

I'm not sure how I feel about hybrids TBH. Dying is another issue completely but hybrids...

Pretty much all fish are hybrids to an extent. Through evolution fish ahve bred with others in the wild and created the species we have today. The difference here though, is that through evolution as I said, nature has weeded out any "imperfect" fish and species before they became a well populated and recognised species. When hybrids are created by humans, this does not occur, and so we end up with fish that can't properly function. If however the fish is fully functioning then I see no real issue however as we "play god" there is no way of telling exactly what would happen, so we should probably leave it well alone.

Once the fish are brought into this world however, through whatever means, they deserve to be treated with respect and care. Just because a fish has been so unfortunate as to have been created and therefore have whatever deformations that it might have, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a good home. The problem here thoguh is that by purchasing the fish, you are continuing the trade.

There is no good and fair solution!
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