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post #21 of 29 Old 09-11-2009, 08:01 PM Thread Starter
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still reading as 'number 8' the worst on the chart for ammonia which equals 8ppm...but i'm guessing it could be worse and be off the scale still as it went to '4' within seconds and supposed to leave for 5mins.
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post #22 of 29 Old 09-11-2009, 08:19 PM
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I would check ammonia and nitrite daily, until the tank is more stable.
Those two are the most harmful to your fish and the most important to keep as low as possible.
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post #23 of 29 Old 09-12-2009, 09:06 AM Thread Starter
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ok thanks, there have been no more fatalities and they are looking happier, swimming normally, not gasping anymore, i guess any reduction/dilution of the ammonia etc has got to be better than it was before.

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post #24 of 29 Old 09-12-2009, 10:33 AM
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I just got to read this thread. Twistersmom gave you good advice and obviously it is working, so stick with it. Do regular partial water changes, once a day is OK, don't vacuum the gravel and don't change/clean the filter at all. The bacteria are colonizing these places and you want to encourage them, not remove or kill them.

A biological supplement like Seachem's Stability or Nutrafin's Cycle would help as it adds bacteria (in some manner) to get things going quicker.

No where is the tank size mentioned, nor how many fish are in it. And how long has it been setup? From your first post you added fish on Sep 2; were these the first in this tank, or new additions?

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post #25 of 29 Old 09-12-2009, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
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it's a 60 litre tank, fish were added first in june.
we have 2 black mollies (small)
4 guppies (1 male, 3 female)
6 neon tetras
1 angel fish (small)
1 ruby shark
1 pair of gouramis - sunset?? (blue/silver, male has red/orange colouring)
1 plec (still small)
3 harlequin tetras
5 bentosi (i think we agreed that's what they were!) tetras

we lost: 1 black phantom tetra, 3 bentosi tetras, 1 leopard plec, a 'few' neons - about 3 but not exactly sure how many i had, i bought '8' but no idea if there was a few more, could never get them to sit still to be counted!

tank was set-up in july and left for 2 weeks, then neon tetras and mollies added and left a further 2 weeks, we left at least 2 weeks in between fish additions but we got the leopard plec and the gouramis at the same time, the 'normal' plec and the guppies and the ruby shark were put in about a month later.

the angel fish went in on it's own and then about 3 weeks later these bentosi (was supposed to be a shoal of 12, ended up with 8 bentosi, 1 black phantom and 3 harlequin tetras). we were using test sticks that came with the aquarium, like the filter they just weren't upto the job it seems, we tested the water and the only moderate level (all the rest were fine) was KH, took a sample with us to the pet store to test so we could obtain refund etc and it turns out the water was terrible and the sticks next to useless!

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post #26 of 29 Old 09-12-2009, 04:36 PM
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I think I'm seeing the problem, or one of them. If you really do mean 60 litres (as you typed) and not 60 gallons, you have way too many fish in this tank. If you continue to do daily partial water changes (and I mean every day) most of the fish will probably survive, but they will certainly not be at their best and over the long term probably prone to verious health issues.

But there is also the issue of space; the bentosi (rosaceus) tetras need swimming room, moreso that the others. Neons, angelfish, gouramis are relatively quiet sedate fish, but still too many. And angelfish are not a good match for neons, as the latter will nip the fins of angels and/or the angel will consider the neons lunch. The reason either trait may not have appeared yet is because the fish are stressed from the conditions; once the water improves you will probably see different bahaviours. And the shark and pleco may be small now, but chances are they will grow--if it is a common pleco it will reach 18 inches, though not likely to last that long in a 15 gallon tank with everything else.

Aside from the daily pwc, I seriously suggest you ask the store if they will take back some of the fish on credit. When they know the predicament, they probably will; rather than lose a customer.

I won't make suggestions, it is your fish and for youto decide what type of aquarium you want. But in my opinion, the shark, angel, pleco and bentosi should be removed because the aquarium is simply too smal for their long-term health. The guppies will breed continuously with three females and one male, you will have hundreds in no time, so perhaps this is another fish to consider removing. Mollies are the same prolific breeders if they are a pair.

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post #27 of 29 Old 09-15-2009, 09:42 AM Thread Starter
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we've had no mollies at all and only a handful of guppies, but they get eaten before there's any chance of anything happening. the pet store have sold us these fish knowing how many we have in a 60litre tank, i wouldn't get anymore than this and i don't really like the harlequins, they were put in a bag by mistake, we were told the plec would only grow to the size of the tank.

test levels today were ammonia 1.0ppm, nitrite 5.0ppm and nitrate 20ppm, hopefully the ammonia will continue to drop fast. the mollies are ill with ich, i understand the ammonia stress can make them weak to it, hopefully the levels will drop enough to treat them soon.
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we've had no mollies at all and only a handful of guppies, but they get eaten before there's any chance of anything happening. the pet store have sold us these fish knowing how many we have in a 60litre tank, i wouldn't get anymore than this and i don't really like the harlequins, they were put in a bag by mistake, we were told the plec would only grow to the size of the tank.

test levels today were ammonia 1.0ppm, nitrite 5.0ppm and nitrate 20ppm, hopefully the ammonia will continue to drop fast. the mollies are ill with ich, i understand the ammonia stress can make them weak to it, hopefully the levels will drop enough to treat them soon.
Your fish store is one I would not want to deal with; they clearly have either no knowledge or no interest in your fish.

As previously recommended, get a biological supplement to (hopefully) save some of the fish, the ammonia and nitrite levels are far too high for their well-being. As you correctly say, the stress of the cycling is bringing on ich. But the urgent issue is getting the bacteria going. Daily pwc and adding the supplement are all I can suggest.

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Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #29 of 29 Old 09-18-2009, 05:33 AM Thread Starter
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well the ammonia levels are now registering 0 and nitrite is on the lowest level too and the nitrate is between the first 2 colours, so very nearly done.

i don't think it was ich now, it looked like it, but it's disappeared on its own a couple of days ago. no more losses either. it's been suggested to only feed once a week for the next month then only every 2-3 days. will check the levels again tomorrow and see if they're all down so i can feed them a little bit.
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